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About LinkBacks"На колу висит мочало, начинаем всё сначала".Originally Posted by Doomer
"На колу висит мочало, начинаем всё сначала".
если все время говорить неправду, это не сделает ее правдой
если есть доказательства - попрошу в студию
иначе это просто полемика с попыткой подгона под результат
А погуглить?
Скучно мне во всё это вникать, но одно место привлекло моё внимание: "...my findings are not to be believed because I am gay." Смешно!
очень жаль что вас привлекают только смешные места и не привлекают факты
я почитал вашу ссылку, она лишь подтверждает мои слова: доказательств нет, а пока нет доказательств утверждать что люди рождаются геями - это давать заведомо ложную информацию. И как бы она не казалась социально-корректной, это все равно ложь
That is what I hinted her at. But this sadly seems to have gone ignored
I do not claim that my opinion is absolutely true.
If you've spotted any mistake in my English, please, correct it. I want to be aware of any mistakes to efficiently eliminate them before they become a habit.
Каждый не очень образованный в биологии человек тоже имеет право верить избирательно, в том числе и я.
Но равноправие, справедливость и милосердие существуют для всех.
Did you even read my post? Or better say did you try to understand what I wrote? The law doesn't say that it's possible to make someone gay nor does it say that it's impossible. That just states that telling a juvenile to become gay is illegal. Can you ever try to abstract from your personal feelings when judging something or trying to prove something? As I said I wrote that text at my own risk to become hated and unpopular by who advocate gay rights here. So it seems that risk has come to pass. I'm so dissapointed. But please, take a look at my post again. Did I state there that I dissaprove/approve of gays? Well, it seems I didn't. What a pity.
Another time you're trying to strike personally and all you're based on is just your subjective believes. Can you provide any proof that it's 100% impossible to influence someone so that they somehow become gay? Or better yet do you have any proof that homosexuality is something you're born with? Oops, it seems you don't. And I tell you why. There is no such kinds of prooves yet. There might be but not now. And don't you try to tell me that all gays claim they were born gay. It's yet their own subjective opinions they might be sure of that but they might be deluded. Don't you think?
So without those kinds of prooves your statement is nothing but your personal opinion, which may or may not be true. So it doesn't give you any right to claim anything there
And for another time I see that you didn't really try to read into my post. Because the main statement there was under "first of all" and was about why it's ridiculous to boycott Sochi Olympics. It is not the thought that was conveyed with the most number of words, which is why you possibly didn't count it as the most important one, but it was definitely the gist of my post.
Please, don't let your personal judgement cloud your thinking. You're much better than that.
And I'm going out of here before people tear me apart for nothing. Good day
I do not claim that my opinion is absolutely true.
If you've spotted any mistake in my English, please, correct it. I want to be aware of any mistakes to efficiently eliminate them before they become a habit.
Really? Where does it say that? Here's the actual text of Part 1 and the beginning of part 2, as already posted by alexsms (the rest of the law details the different amounts of the fines, depending on the circumstances):
1. Пропаганда нетрадиционных сексуальных отношений среди несовершеннолетних, выразившаяся в распространении информации, направленной на формирование у несовершеннолетних нетрадиционных сексуальных установок, привлекательности нетрадиционных сексуальных отношений, искаженного представления о социальной равноценности традиционных и нетрадиционных сексуальных отношений, либо навязывание информации о нетрадиционных сексуальных отношениях, вызывающей интерес к таким отношениям, если эти действия не содержат уголовно наказуемого деяния, -влечет наложение административного штрафа на граждан в размере от четырех тысяч до пяти тысяч рублей; на должностных лиц - от сорока тысяч до пятидесяти тысяч рублей; на юридических лиц - от восьмисот тысяч до одного миллиона рублей либо административное приостановление деятельности на срок до девяноста суток.
2. Действия, предусмотренные частью 1 настоящей статьи, совершенные с применением средств массовой информации и (или) информационно-телекоммуникационных сетей (в том числе сети "Интернет"), если эти действия не содержат уголовно наказуемого деяния [...]
Where does it say ANYTHING about "telling a juvenile to become gay"? The law, if enforced as written, seemingly makes it illegal to publish a written opinion in a newspaper that gay people can lead happy, healthy, and psychologically well-adjusted lives. Because, presumably, the opinion that "gays can be happy" relates to the привлекательность нетрадиционных сексуальных отношений -- and ANYTHING published in a newspaper -- or posted to a non-pay website -- must be considered, in principle, доступно несовершеннолетним. As written, it comes close to the Orwellian concept of "thoughtcrime," since it prohibits the public expression of certain ideas.
А я читал, что в семьях, где всё наоборот, процент отклонений у детей увеличивается с 2% примерно до 20%.
Реальные маугли, воспитанные волками, не умеют говорить, ходить на двух ногах, улыбаться, испытывать человеческие эмоции и т.д. То есть многое в нашей жизни зависит от усвоенного поведения, а не от генетики.
Ну и тем более, значит закон ни на что не повлияет!Нет такого!
Но бережёного бог бережёт
"Невозможно передать смысл иностранной фразы, не разрушив при этом её первоначальную структуру."
Очень сильно может повлиять на детей-геев. Эти дети часто своих родителей боятся. И часто, если родители отсталые и трусливые, они от своих детей-геев отказываются. А Бог далеко.Ну и тем более, значит закон ни на что не повлияет!
Но бережёного бог бережёт
Но Америка близко. Прилетят и расфигачат нас, чтобы мы хорошо себя вели и не обижали сироток.
3 Ways to Know if You Are Gay - wikiHow
"Understand a bit about what science says about being gay. Studies seem to support a strong genetic component in sexual orientation. A hot area of research currently is in epigenetics, or the study of how non-genetic factors influence the expression of genes. Geneticists hypothesize that homosexuality is linked to "epi-marks," or extra layers of information that determine how genes are expressed.[4] Normally, epi-marks are deleted when genes get passed from parents to children. With homosexuals, scientists believe that epi-marks are not deleted, and instead passed on from either father to daughter or from mother to son.[4]
- Scientists also think that having several older brothers increases the likelihood of a man being gay.[5] A male born to into a household of several older brothers is about 2% more likely to be gay, according to researchers at Brock University in St. Catharines, Canada.[5]
- Scientists strongly doubt that environment plays a role in a person's sexuality.[6][7][8] They believe that a person does not have a choice about whether they are gay, and that — on top of this — gay people do not usually become straight through self-dedication or coercion. Scientists have even determined that there may be an evolutionary benefit to being gay, called the "balancing selection hypothesis."[9]"
- Sources and Citations
- ↑ Cage fighter: "Sex with men doesn’t make you gay or bisexual, just like a cigarette doesn’t make you a smoker" | San Diego Gay and Lesbian News
- ↑ The 5 Stages Every Lesbian Goes Through
- ↑ Julie Bindel: Sexual desire is a social construct | World news | The Guardian
- ↑ 4.0 4.1 Scientists May Have Finally Unlocked Puzzle of Why People Are Gay - US News and World Report
- ↑ 5.0 5.1 Men with older brothers more likely to be gay - Health - Health care - More health news | NBC News
- ↑ Is Your Child Gay?: Scientific American
- ↑ US researchers find evidence that homosexuality linked to genetics | World news | theguardian.com
- ↑ Evolution Of Homosexuality Epigenetics - Business Insider
- ↑ Male Homosexuality Study: Gay Men Have Evolutionary Benefit For Their Families, New Research Suggests
- ↑ I'm From Driftwood - Daily gay, true stories
- ↑ Coming Out Stories
Igor, the thing is - we have already discussed so many of the things that you brought up! You even said you did not read through the entire thread. I think you should try to read through the thread before you criticize Lampada for "not reading" your post. To be honest, I had the same reaction as Lampada when I saw what you wrote. I don't think it's fair to make statements about her "personal feelings," etc. Let's not make this personal about anyone's ability to understand, read, etc. When people start insulting each other, a rational discussion is no longer possible.iCake: Did you even read my post? Or better say did you try to understand what I wrote? The law doesn't say that it's possible to make someone gay nor does it say that it's impossible. That just states that telling a juvenile to become gay is illegal. Can you ever try to abstract from your personal feelings when judging something or trying to prove something? As I said I wrote that text at my own risk to become hated and unpopular by who advocate gay rights here. So it seems that risk has come to pass. I'm so dissapointed. But please, take a look at my post again. Did I state there that I dissaprove/approve of gays? Well, it seems I didn't. What a pity.
Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…
Okay, I see. I tried to be as distant about gays as I could and then I got nothing but a personal based biased view thrown back at me. Sorry for asking to be as distant in your views as I tried to be. Sorry for asking not to completely distort the gist of what I said. Sorry for being such a jerk who definitely doesn't support homosexuality, although I didn't even said that. Sorry for trying to express my thoughts while holding on to only facts and I'm most definitely sorry for expecting a reply based on facts as well.
As for the rational conversation I don't see one and I don't think I will.
Nice chatting about gay rights and great job backing each other up
I do not claim that my opinion is absolutely true.
If you've spotted any mistake in my English, please, correct it. I want to be aware of any mistakes to efficiently eliminate them before they become a habit.
And now who is allowing personal feelings to get in the way? Come on, Igor, I didn't even accuse you of any of those things. I just thought it was unfair how you (and Doomer) ganged up on Lampada and made statements about her not understanding. So, is it ok for you two to "back each other up" but not ok for me to back up Lampada?Okay, I see. I tried to be as distant about gays as I could and then I got nothing but a personal based biased view thrown back at me. Sorry for asking to be as distant in your views as I tried to be. Sorry for asking not to completely distort the gist of what I said. Sorry for being such a jerk who definitely doesn't support homosexuality, although I didn't even said that. Sorry for trying to express my thoughts while holding on to only facts and I'm most definitely sorry for expecting a reply based on facts as well.
As for the rational conversation I don't see one and I don't think I will.
Nice chatting about gay rights and great job backing each other up
Let's just get away from all the personal stuff. What I mean by personal is not our opinions regarding gay rights, but people's individual personalities. Let's not turn this into a flame-fest! The discussion actually has been quite civil so far. Not everyone is agreeing with each other of course, but for the most part, we are not attacking each other on a personal level.
No one is throwing their opinions in your face anymore than you have thrown your opinions out here. Everyone has a right to agree or disagree. I am just asking that we not start attacking people's individual personalities or making statements about their personal faults, etc, etc. Once the insults start flying, there can no longer be a civilized discussion.
Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…
I'm trying to use facts, you trying to use social studies which are not facts
And all I'm saying that there is NO PROOF for either of theories. But you saying: "oh, well, there is no proof, so we make up our own conclusion and that's gonna be the truth". I mean that is exactly what the Church was trying to do to you when you were younger and sadly this is what you are doing now. You supporting your believes with fakes to make yourself feel better.
And now you are getting personal and making implications about my level of intelligence/understanding, etc. Sorry, but I am not going to get into this with you. I did not reference "social studies" - I am referencing psychological studies and scientific studies. Whereas, you are just voicing your opinion. You will choose what to believe in, I guess. But as long as you are going after me with veiled insults, I am not going to respond to you further.
Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…
Дебора, в Международном Олимпийском Комитете (МОК) есть статья, запрещающая любую политическую или социальную пропаганду. МОК уже отреагировал, как и российские спортсмены. ...Кстати, на универсиаде и чемпионате по лёгкой атлетике никаких протестов и провокаций не было.
Если говорить более серьезно — русские прекрасно осознают, что это шаг в сторону пропасти. Это исходит от самих людей, у нас прививка от этой напасти.
Человек, который стал геем или лесбиянкой должен искать помощи прежде всего у психолога, поскольку что-то сломало его естественную (природную) программу. В результате, и в пределе возможно только два варианта:Unfortunately, with this law in place, gay children will not receive any support or understanding from society. They will feel alone, misunderstood, and afraid to admit who they really are. Some will learn to wear a mask, to pretend they are not gay. ... ...
1. Добровольное или принудительное свидание с психотерапевтом, если человек не сможет переосмыслить свою ориентацию самостоятельно.
2. Человек остается наедине со своей проблемой и никому её не показывает до тех пор, пока не сможет переосмыслить свою ориентацию самостоятельно.
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