Thread: Sochi Olympics and the Law against Gays in Russia +

And incidentally, Yuvakaeva said she opposed any boycott or big rainbow-flag demonstration -- instead she suggested that Olympic athletes of any sexual orientation could simply hold hands with another athlete of the same sex. In other words, the "We are all Spartacus!" approach:

The Global Divide on Homosexuality | Pew Global Attitudes Project

Originally Posted by Deborski

The Global Divide on Homosexuality | Pew Global Attitudes Project

I conclude that people who feel strongly about gay rights should go and complain in places like Nigeria and Jordan, rather than Russia.

Originally Posted by Hanna

I conclude that people who feel strongly about gay rights should go and complain in places like Nigeria and Jordan, rather than Russia.

Люди будут жаловать где они живут. При чем тут Нигерия если они живут в России? Они хотят право в своих странах.

Originally Posted by Hanna

I conclude that people who feel strongly about gay rights should go and complain in places like Nigeria and Jordan, rather than Russia.

Over 70% is traditionally considered a majority with regard to opinion polls and sociologial analyses.

So with 74% Russia is above this threshold.

It's interesting that China's figure is 57 (considered as authoritarian, one-party system, not a democracy).

Statistically speaking, it's also worth mentioning that (given that Russia is assumed as Europe) Russia's NO figure is the highest in Europe

Originally Posted by Deborski

The Global Divide on Homosexuality | Pew Global Attitudes Project

А нет ли исследований, в каких странах терпимо (или не очень) относятся к коммунистам? Если такого исследования нет, то это несправедливо, так как они тоже люди и нуждаются в нашей с вами защите.
Я слышал, что в США "комми" - это обзывалка?.. А какие крупные соревнования скоро будут проводить в США, которые мы могли бы использовать для борьбы с данным отношением к коммунистам?..

Originally Posted by Юрка

А нет ли исследований, в каких странах терпимо (или не очень) относятся к коммунистам? Если такого исследования нет, то это несправедливо, так как они тоже люди и нуждаются в нашей с вами защите.
Я слышал, что в США "комми" - это обзывалка?.. А какие крупные соревнования скоро будут проводить в США, которые мы могли бы использовать для борьбы с данным отношением к коммунистам?..

It doesn't work with commies/nazis/etc. , that is followers of any radical political beliefs, because:

1. They CAN stop being ones by their own will.
2. They pose a threat to everyone else until they do.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

1. They CAN stop being ones by their own will.

Вы хотите сказать, что можно перестать интересоваться справедливостью распределения материальных благ, но нельзя перестать интересоваться анальным сексом?
Даже не знаю, как прокомментировать... Получается, что у животных страстей есть привилегии над убеждениями совести?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

2. They pose a threat to everyone else until they do.

Бывают ли случаи, когда геи насилуют гетеросексуальных и гомосексуальных мужчин или женщин? Если да, то они представляют угрозу.

Originally Posted by Юрка

Вы хотите сказать, что перестать интересоваться справедливостью распределения материальных благ - это возможно, а перестать интересоваться анальным сексом - это невозможно?
Даже не знаю, как прокомментировать...
Бывают ли случаи, когда геи насилуют гетеросексуальных и гомосексуальных мужчин или женщин? Если да, то они представляют угрозу.

You have to stop trolling. This is a warning.

Originally Posted by Юрка

Вы хотите сказать, что можно перестать интересоваться справедливостью распределения материальных благ, но нельзя перестать интересоваться анальным сексом?
Даже не знаю, как прокомментировать... Получается, что у животных страстей есть привилегии над убеждениями совести?

Спасибо, кэп (c)

1. На данный момент у человека данные категории распределяются следующим образом: животные инстинкты --> затем категории разума --> ЗАТЕМ категории совести (или чего там у вас); если бы было по-другому, человек был бы другим видом, и его активность на данной планете имела бы совершенно другую природу.
2. А что собственно делает человека гетеросексуалом или не- гетеросексуалом? Искренне хотелось бы полагать что не частота сексуальных контактов, ибо вряд ли можно найти человека у которого практика постоянно совпадает с теорией идеальных 2-3 раз в день; однако, это не меняет их ориентацию, ведь так? =) (если не понятно, ваша аналогия со специфическим видом секса неуместна)

The only problem with this Pew survey is that the word "homosexuality" may be subject to difficulties or ambiguities in translation.* And also the words "accept," and "society," and "should". Though at least the question mark is universally understood, I suppose!

*In some cultures, for example, a "homosexual" is widely understood to be a male who takes the so-called пассивную роль when having sex with another male -- but people might not automatically assume that a male in the "active" role is a "homosexual," unless the question-asker specifically says something like: "By the expression homosexual behavior, I mean to include both the active and passive roles." For that matter, neither ancient Hebrew nor ancient Greek had a general term for "homosexual" that included both the male/male and female/female varieties; they were conceptualized separately. And I would expect that when some Russians HEAR the term "гомосексуализм", they might THINK "мужеложество", for example. (The latter word has had several different definitions at different times in Russian history, but according to Wikipedia, "мужеложество" always implied "male/male" -- as its etymology suggest -- and never included lesbian contacts.)

Now multiply these basic problems of translation and connotation by more than a dozen different languages, and it's hard to be sure how meaningful the poll results actually were.

Originally Posted by Throbert McGee

And I would expect that when some Russians HEAR the term "гомосексуализм", they might THINK "мужеложество", for example.

It's a valid observation. But to be exact, they might think 'MALE homosexual relations of any kind', while мужеложество implies 'intercourse' (let us say it's a narrower term, ).

People tend not to think about the technical accuracy (or scientific) of the term; besides, any borrowed word or scientific term may evolve in its own way in a given language. In Russian 'homosexuality' in everyday language almost always implies male homosexuality. One shouldn't forget also that lesbian relations are often not treated as something negative, even acceptable (at least it seems to me in Russia that is the case).

The pollsters (researchers) probably (hopefully) clarified what they meant by the term 'homosexuality', but of course it's not always clear whether the interviewed understand the question 100%. Probably they had to use a broader term for the purpose of the survey (it is implied that the idea of the survey was to ask specifically about 'homosexuality', and not to make it gender-specific).

To put it another way, if you mean to ask about public attitudes towards same-sex sodomy between men OR between women, you need to use the actual phrase "same-sex sodomy between men OR between women" in the poll; (if you only say "sodomy", some people will assume you mean the male-male kind only. And if you mean to ask about attitudes towards legalized same-sex marriage, you need to use the actual phrase "legalized same-sex marriage"; you can't say "should same-sex unions be allowed," because "legalizing" and "allowing" aren't quite the same thing, and "marriage" and "unions" aren't the same thing.

And you can't use say broad umbrella terms like "homosexuality" or "non-traditional sexual relations" and assume that the other person will understand it in the same sense that you meant it -- not if you want to get valid cross-cultural, cross-language results!

Ух ты, нас в Европу определили! А Нигерия всех сделала.

Originally Posted by maxmixiv

Ух ты, нас в Европу определили!

Если бы Турцию тоже определили в Европу (тоже спорный момент, как и с Россией), мы бы не на последнем месте были =)

Кстати, вроде бы в Америке и Азии Россию считают Европой без вопросов, в Европе, наверное, 50\50, а вот в самой России, похоже, мало кто вообще догадывается, что кто-то где-то Россию называет Европой =)

Originally Posted by maxmixiv

Ух ты, нас в Европу определили! А Нигерия всех сделала.

В 1960 г. вышла книга Political Man (Lipset, Seymour Martin. Garden City, New York: Anchor Books, 1960.)
В ней при сравнении стран СССР отнесен к Европе.

Очевидно, с точки зрения геополитики (а не с географической точки зрения) Россию относят к Европе (и сама она больше тяготеет к Европе; Россия не принимает участие в чемпионате Азии по футболу, например).

Anti-LGBT pastor running for Massachusetts gov. because ‘homosexuality is condemned by God’ | The Raw Story

A Christian evangelical pastor who has been sued for his connection to Uganda’s so-called “kill the gays” bill and taken credit for Russia’s law against homosexual “propaganda” announced that he was running for governor of Massachusetts.

In a statement earlier this week, Scott Lively said that prayer had convinced him to make a bid for Massachusetts governor.

“The people of this state need a candidate who can clearly and unapologetically articulate Biblical values without fear or compromise,” Lively remarked. “They need a candidate who will tell the simple truth that abortion is murder, and homosexuality is condemned by God (but that Jesus forgives and heals those who repent). That parents and not the state have authority over their children, because government is our servant and not our master. That socialism is slavery and humanism breeds corruption.”

“But mostly they need a leader who will remind the people that Massachusetts was founded upon Jesus Christ and the Bible and that our future security and prosperity depend on restoring our trust in Him.”

The pastor, whose Abiding Truth Ministries has been deemed a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, went on to blame both Democrats and Republicans for legalizing same sex marriage, “promoting homosexuality to children in the public schools” and allowing “child-killing through abortion.”

“They both embrace and champion the culture of death,” he noted. “With these two liberal parties splitting the liberal vote, a true conservative independent could win the governorship.”

But Lively said he knew that winning was unlikely without some divine intervention.

“[I]t would take a miracle from God for Scott Lively to become Governor of Massachusetts — and I wouldn’t want it any other way,” the pastor insisted.

In August, a federal judge ruled that Lively must stand trial for crimes against humanity for his role in inciting the persecution of LGBT people in Uganda.

Once a non-believer came before the Rev. Scott Lively, and said unto him, "Reverend, can you summarize the whole Christian Bible while I'm standing on one foot?"

The Rev. Lively smiled calmly and replied, "If a man lies down with another man as with a woman, it is an abomination; their blood shall be upon them and they shall both be put to death. This is the whole of the Law, all the rest is commentary -- go, then, and study."

The non-believer said, "What the fucking fuck are you fucking talking about?!" and decided instead to take a class in Chinese cooking, where he made several new friends, and they all lived happily ever after. (Including the Rev. Lively, who was always happy when people asked him about the Bible.)

It seems Юрка treats Lampada as "law and justice". Maybe that was a masked compliment, though.