Thread: Sochi Olympics and the Law against Gays in Russia +

Originally Posted by Юрка

Почему Вы называете гомофобией нашу позицию? У меня тоже есть знакомые геи, к которым я хорошо отношусь. Мы же не против них. Они же могут жить счастливо без агитации за свой образ ... жизни? Они могут жить тихо, как простые обыватели, или им неприменно надо бегать с флагом по улице? Им неприменно нужно создавать бесплодные союзы и потом усыновлять кого-то? Им непрменно нужно называть свои союзы семьёй? На каком основании они посягают на гетересексуальный социальный институт, а не создают свой социальный институт? Может потому, что они не могут его создать? Может, не каждое сексуальное действие ведёт к созданию института?

The difference is that I do not think my friends should have to live "тихо." I think they should have the same rights I have, to marry, to love, to kiss in public, to adopt children if they want. I do not think they have some kind of "sickness" and I do not pity them or feel they are inferior to me, or damaged in any way. If you are not homophobic, then I apologize for my remark. But when you support laws which force your friends to live in hiding, it is hard for me to understand how you can be considered their "friend."

Вы точно знаете, что они геи? А у нас не принято рассказывать о своей сексуальной ориентации и начинать беседу с фразы "здравствуйте, меня зовут Вася, я гей". Если мне кто-то скажет такое, то я подумаю, что он мне предлагает себя в качестве партнёра.

Конечно, знаю! In America, gay people do not have to HIDE who they are! And if they tell me they are gay, it has nothing to do with sex. They are not trying to "be my partner" except in a platonic sense. They all respect that I am a "breeder." One of my closest and dearest friends is a lesbian. She has never once tried to "cross the line" with me. Why would she? She knows I'm straight. Our friendship has nothing to do with sex.

And even if a lesbian DID try to come on to me, or mistakenly thought I was gay, I would just tell her "sorry, I am not interested" and that would be the end of it. Gay people do not want to "convert" straight people. That is such a silly myth!

Maybe I should be asking you, how you know that your friends are gay!!

Originally Posted by Deborski

The difference is that I do not think my friends should have to live "тихо." I think they should have the same rights I have, to marry, to love, to kiss in public, to adopt children if they want.

What to do if the majority disagrees?

Originally Posted by Doomer

What to do if the majority disagrees?

In America, the majority's views are a-changing. But since you seem opposed to American concepts of equality, maybe you should consider returning to Russia and raising your family there.

Originally Posted by Deborski

In America, the majority's views are a-changing. But since you seem opposed to American concepts of equality, maybe you should consider returning to Russia and raising your family there.

First of all in the US it's half and half
"Concepts of equality?" Please, don't make me laugh. Where were those "concepts" when whites burned blacks alive? And now where are these "concepts" when people look on every Muslim as on a terrorist. You want me to pull up "the scary facts" too? Or maybe you were talking about human rights? What about human rights of civilians in Iraq, shot down from American helicopter for nothing? And the person who told it to the world is now facing life in prison. That's awesome "equality", give me two. Maybe you wanna tell me that it is not what you meant and you disagree with the politics and so on, and I tell - it doesn't make you less American, so it is your fault too and it will be mine if I become American. And in eyes those Iraqi people every American is a murderer, good luck talking about "equality" to them.

It's not "fashionable" to be a homophobe in the US now because it's a hot topic on the news, and it's very "fashionable" to tell: "look, people, I got gay friends, I'm awesome because of that and what do you got? Just old boring straights? Meh, you probably a homophobic dushbag".

I'm not afraid to tell: I don't know if I got any gay friends and I don't know if all my friends are straight or they fancy goats, and frankly I don't wanna know. I don't fuck my friends, so I don't wanna know their sexual predilections. And I would appreciate if they keep it to themselves as all normal people do regardless of their sexuality
Would it make a difference to me if I would know? Maybe yes, we all got freedom of speech, so I won't shut up either. There is no such thing as equality and that's partially a good thing. I'm happily married and I really like to think that there is no somebody "equal" to the person I love. What you calling "equality" is called "tolerance". And tolerance is no better than aversion, because it's a big fat lie which makes you feel warm and fuzzy and you don't need to face the truth. It's like Valium for your consciousness which turns bitter truth to sweet hypocrisy.

PS: Nice hypocritical concern though, I'll try to ignore your low blow

Originally Posted by Doomer

First of all in the US it's half and half
"Concepts of equality?" Please, don't make me laugh. Where were those "concepts" when whites burned blacks alive? And now where are these "concepts" when people look on every Muslim as on a terrorist. You want me to pull up "the scary facts" too? Or maybe you were talking about human rights? What about human rights of civilians in Iraq, shot down from American helicopter for nothing? And the person who told it to the world is now facing life in prison. That's awesome "equality", give me two. Maybe you wanna tell me that it is not what you meant and you disagree with the politics and so on, and I tell - it doesn't make you less American, so it is your fault too and it will be mine if I become American. And in eyes those Iraqi people every American is a murderer, good luck talking about "equality" to them.

It's not "fashionable" to be a homophobe in the US now because it's a hot topic on the news, and it's very "fashionable" to tell: "look, people, I got gay friends, I'm awesome because of that and what do you got? Just old boring straights? Meh, you probably a homophobic dushbag".

I'm not afraid to tell: I don't know if I got any gay friends and I don't know if all my friends are straight or they fancy goats, and frankly I don't wanna know. I don't fuck my friends, so I don't wanna know their sexual predilections. And I would appreciate if they keep it to themselves as all normal people do regardless of their sexuality
Would it make a difference to me if I would know? Maybe yes, we all got freedom of speech, so I won't shut up either. There is no such thing as equality and that's partially a good thing. I'm happily married and I really like to think that there is no somebody "equal" to the person I love. What you calling "equality" is called "tolerance". And tolerance is no better than aversion, because it's a big fat lie which makes you feel warm and fuzzy and you don't need to face the truth. It's like Valium for your consciousness which turns bitter truth to sweet hypocrisy.

PS: Nice hypocritical concern though, I'll try to ignore your low blow

OK, Doomer. It's obvious from your words that you LOVE America. I apologize for my remark. Clearly you are very happy living here.

*backing away slowly*

Originally Posted by Deborski

I apologize for my remark. :

You "apologize" too much recently
I'm not sure what it means, coming from you