Thread: Вопросы по грамматике и значению слов (by Simon000001

Originally Posted by dondublon

The second - the lowest position in gangster hierarchy.

And that is because "6" is the lowest rank in most of card games.

With banknotes and coins it is not so simple.
2 копейки = двушка
3 рубля = трёшка тройка трояк
5 рублей = пятёрка
5 копеек = пятак
10 рублей = десятка
10 копеек = десятчик
...

"Alternative" words двушка, трёшка are also to be used instead of двойка, тройка, when we talk about quantity of flat's rooms or about number of hotel's "stars"
Because we have a lot of flats with only one room, the new word "Однушка" had to be invented.

What's the English for "тройка"?
like
That looked like a sleigh harnessed with a pair (2) of horses
That looked like a sleigh harnessed with a thr... (3) of horses

"тройка"? Can find "carriage and three", can't remember other special designations.

For two: Carriage and pair.

For other special kinds of multiplets acting as unit/collective noun: duo, trio, quartet, quintet, sextet, septet/heptet, octet, nonet, dectet, ...

For money, fiver, tenner.

Originally Posted by alexsms

Rumor had it that it was no less than Zhukov's nephew who... (и так далее)

Hmmm, so would it be possible to use a construction like "слушок, что не кто йной, как племянник..." instead?

Originally Posted by alexsms

PS. I am not a native speaker

Holy cow! Is your native language another Slavic one? Or have you been living in Russia for many years now?

P.S. Oh, wait... I guess I misunderstood! You were saying that you're not a native speaker of English, and weren't 100% sure about whether the English construction sounded colloquial? In any case, "it was no less than" or "it was none other than" both sound totally okay to me.

"слушок, что не кто йной, как племянник..."

Правильно: "никто иной, как племянник". I'd say, phrase made this way indicates more certainty that "he" is, in fact, Zhukov's nephew.

... "it was none other than" both sound totally okay to me.

The construction "Rumor had it that..." is unfamiliar to me. Is it really correct?

Originally Posted by maxmixiv

...The construction "Rumor had it that..." is unfamiliar to me. Is it really correct?

Rumor Has It by Adele With Lyrics - YouTube

Originally Posted by it-ogo

I doubt it was ever used in normal language. It is a part of an old theater actor school (as well as "вверьх", for example), and I have no idea where did they take such a pronunciation from.

It was part of the original dialect spoken in Moscow, before dialect levelling took place (mass migration to Moscow from other regions). Also -кой/-кый instead of -кий.

Originally Posted by mishau_

Не всегда, например, слово "мастерюга" может означать матерый, опытный в своем деле.

Пример. Малкин — мастерюга из того, совет­ского хоккея, который радовал нашего болельщика постоянными победами.
(заслуженный тренер Сергей Николаев, аналитик журнала "Спорт")

Слово "зверюга" может быть училено суффиксом "-ище" - зверюжище

Да, -юга просто экспрессивный суффикс, и отрицательность зависит от контекста и замысла говорящего. Например, если сказать "зверюги!", то оно значит "bastards!", а если охотник скажет "зверюга", то это просто "крупное животное", может быть даже с уважением неким.

For me, "да" as a conjunction sounds like a looser variant, "and [well] [maybe] also". A very slight additional meaning of something free/natural/careless, when used for a whole sentence.
"и" is a stricter "and", "definitely and", "inclusively", almost "both" (but less certain than the double "и... и...")

I'm not sure if this is how other people feel it. Technically it's also equivalent to the Ukrainian та/чи and is heavily used in folklore in natural enumerations (noun+noun; adverb+adverb), for example, Иван да Марья, дед да баба, вокруг да около и т.д.

There's also да which is an interjection, it's used as part of specific idioms.

There's also another interesting usage of "да":

- Да нет! - in response to a question.

I believe it can be quite confusing for foreigners, but in fact it just means "No!". The particle "да" here is used as an intensifier, it has nothing to do with "yes".

Привет,

Пожалуйста дайте примеры предложений с "во что бы то ни стало" и "как бы то ни было" с переводом на английском, потому что я их не очень понимаю.

Спасибо

"во что бы то ни стало" и "как бы то ни было" - are both quite literary

как бы то ни было - anyway, in all circumstances, in any case...
во что бы то ни стало - no matter what, certainly, surely, .... - it's usually about getting somewhere, achieving something or doing something

Как бы то ни было, мы пришли вовремя. - Anyway, we came there in time.
Мы знали, что надо прийти во время во что бы то ни стало. - We knew we had to be there in time no matter what.

Originally Posted by Simon000001

"во что бы то ни стало" и "как бы то ни было" ... я их не очень понимаю.

С переводом на английский не могу, но могу попытаться объяснить смысл этих фраз.
1) "Во что бы то ни стало" значит "сколько бы это ни стоило" или "независимо от цены" или "при любой цене" или "обязательно, не смотря на цену".
Пример: Мы должны выучить русский язык во что бы то ни стало.
2) "как бы то ни было" можно заменить на "что бы не случилось", "в любом случае", "вне зависимости от всего".
Пример: Как бы то ни было, но я выучу русский язык.

"во что бы то ни стало" = by all means, at any price ("whatever those would cost")

"во что бы то ни стало" - это "coute que coute".

Originally Posted by Throbert McGee

P.S. Oh, wait... I guess I misunderstood! You were saying that you're not a native speaker of English, and weren't 100% sure about whether the English construction sounded colloquial? In any case, "it was no less than" or "it was none other than" both sound totally okay to me.

yes, I meant English is not my native language, my native language is Russian.

Originally Posted by maxmixiv

Правильно: "никто иной, как племянник".

Не, друг, это не правильно. http://www.genon.ru/GetAnswer.aspx?q...c-82d4eef41159

Hmmm, so would it be possible to use a construction like "слушок, что не кто иной, как племянник..." instead?

Я думаю да, Throbert. Твоя фраза и фраза автора темы значат примерно оно и то же. "Не кто иной" - книжное выражение, а с чуть [ли] не - разговорное (иногда ироничная). "Слушок, не кто иной" - это нечто: я вижу в ней сарказм! Наверное, из-за смеси уменьшительного "слушок" и книжного "не кто иной".

I think it would. Your sentence and Simon's one mean pretty much the same thing. "Не кто иной" is a bookish expression while чуть-ли-не one is colloquial. (sometimes ironical). "Слушок, не кто иной" is really something - there's sarcasm in it, I think!

Привет,

"И это все же лучше, чем быть плохим надзирателем. Хуже плохого надзирателя только зеки в ШИЗО..."

Не понимаю слова "зек" и аббревиатуры "ШИЗО"

Объясните пожалуйста

"зек" is a common colloquial word for "a person who serves a term of imprisonment"
"ШИЗО" is an acronym for "Штрафной ИЗОлятор" (lit. "penalty isolation room"). it is like a punishment cell inside a prison where violators are temporarily put.