Thread: London terror attack, yo. :O

Originally Posted by rgkatyaisashaukr

"What book people who droped A-bombs on Japan read?"

Wow, that's a really stupid question to ask Pioner. The United States, (which is really off topic by the way, because we're discussing religion here, not specific countries), didn't declare it as an "act of God" or "in the name of God" and posted it in newspapers or on websites. These extremists commit these acts and then declare that it is in the name of their god. You can't even compare the two.

here, for you and DDT, written by a Christian:
http://www.worldinvisible.com/library/d ... moke.6.htm

Originally Posted by Pioner

Originally Posted by rgkatyaisashaukr

Do you really think that Hussein, bin Laden, Zarqawi, or any other extremist leader is going to calmly sit there and discuss things in a civilized way?

We could have civilized discuss with Hussein in Iraq, but now we got Zarqawi and ben Laden there.

Maybe with Hussein... but the other 2. Nevozmozhno!

Originally Posted by Pioner

Didn't church bless soldiers going to war in Iraq? Or pilots dripping nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? More examples?

Again people need to seperate soldiers from cause. Soldiers do not have a choice and our sent out for whatever reason the government wants them to be sent out for. That's the way armed forces work. I see nothing wrong with blessing soldiers for their well being. It's not like those Muslim extremist maniacs who march around on the streets covered in all white or all black, carry rifles, chanting how they can't wait to kill us.

Originally Posted by Pioner

well, I perfectly can. Imagine if you are a muslim, and you see the world the same way DDT sees world, us good muslims, them bad everybody else. Do you have enough imagination? And for you that will clearly see that the bomb was dropped by christians.
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Dropped by Christians only? That's really amusing considering the US is known as the world's mixing pot and is of all different religions. You're obviously not understanding my point. Even though we dropped that bomb, we didn't say God told us to or the Bible said so. That's like a child doing something wrong and saying "oh well he/she told me to do it." That's called partly not taking responsibility for your own actions. Now with the Muslims, they are actually claiming that they were told to do it by Allah.. or whoever their god is. THAT'S the difference!

Originally Posted by rgkatyaisashaukr

Originally Posted by Pioner

Originally Posted by rgkatyaisashaukr

Do you really think that Hussein, bin Laden, Zarqawi, or any other extremist leader is going to calmly sit there and discuss things in a civilized way?

We could have civilized discuss with Hussein in Iraq, but now we got Zarqawi and ben Laden there.

Maybe with Hussein... but the other 2. Nevozmozhno!

well, who took Hussein out of power, so, instead of him we have to deal with those 2 guys? Who is that genius of strategy?

Originally Posted by rgkatyaisashaukr

Originally Posted by Pioner

well, I perfectly can. Imagine if you are a muslim, and you see the world the same way DDT sees world, us good muslims, them bad everybody else. Do you have enough imagination? And for you that will clearly see that the bomb was dropped by christians.
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Dropped by Christians only? That's really amusing considering the US is known as the world's mixing pot and is of all different religions. You're obviously not understanding my point. Even though we dropped that bomb, we didn't say God told us to or the Bible said so. That's like a child doing something wrong and saying "oh well he/she told me to do it." That's called partly not taking responsibility for your own actions. Now with the Muslims, they are actually claiming that they were told to do it by Allah.. or whoever their god is. THAT'S the difference!

Sorry, I still do not see any difference for people who died in terroristic attacks. If I shoot you, and say afetwards that God told me to do that, will it improve you condition? Or it is better if I kill you, and say that I did it myself. What is better?

Originally Posted by rgkatyaisashaukr

Originally Posted by Pioner

Didn't church bless soldiers going to war in Iraq? Or pilots dripping nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? More examples?

Again people need to seperate soldiers from cause. Soldiers do not have a choice and our sent out for whatever reason the government wants them to be sent out for. That's the way armed forces work. I see nothing wrong with blessing soldiers for their well being. It's not like those Muslim extremist maniacs who march around on the streets covered in all white or all black, carry rifles, chanting how they can't wait to kill us.

Soldiers who go to kill civilians and children? Sorry, I do not see any difference between you and those palestinians who selebrated bombing WTC in 2000.

Originally Posted by Dobry

Originally Posted by Cyphyr

Well, I'm staying out of it this time.

I'm with you, Cypher. I'm sitting this one out, on the side-lines.

Yup, seems like the smart move

If this thread could talk, it would probably request to be put out of its misery

Ha.

Originally Posted by Pioner

Darwinism is a science and got a lot of facts to support it.

Really? I am afraid that it will always only be a theory since the fossil record does not support it. As a matter of fact the fossil records are more likely to support creationism. You really need to catch up on your reading.

Originally Posted by Pioner

Creationism is a religion, got no facts to support that, outside of one or 2 books written as you said yourself by humans. By Constitution of US, religion is separeated from state, so creationism should not be taught in state schools.

Creationism or Intelligent Design Theory is the only other alternative to Evolution and is not in of itself neccesarily connected to religion. Even Albert Einstein was investigating the possibilities of this theory before he died and somehow I imagine him to be a lot smarter than you or I. For you to say that it should not be taught in schools is just plain uneducated or predjudiced.

Originally Posted by Pioner

Originally Posted by DDT

Some of us on this forum would not be alive today if we had not have blown the cr@p out of Japan.

Oh, really? What was a military use of murdering tens of thousands of japanese, most of them civilians? The Japan was already loosing the war.

Originally Posted by Pioner

Japan was already loosing the war, and was about to sign peace with USA.

Duh! How about because it saved an estimated 1 - 2 million allied lives not having to fight building to building with the Japanese who would only willing to surrender on their own terms, if at all. The Japanese people had been hoodwinked into believing that their Emperor was related to the gods and as such they could not fathom the idea that Japan could actually be wrong. Sound familiar? They were in full support of their war machine. They had just killed hundreds of thousands of people accross Asia, raped half the women in Nanking. They held members of my family in barbaric camps in Burma and Thailand who were horrendously tortured and forced to build a railway with little or no food. One of whom was awarded the Victoria Cross and recently put on our 50 cent coin for his bravery in standing up to his Japanese overlords in the prison camp. These people looked like walking skeletons when they finally were released.

So nice of you to sit there as a revisionist and say we were wrong to stop the war with FAT BOY!

Why are you not complaining about the deaths incurred in cities like Dresden? Allied bombing killed more people there than in Hiroshima with just conventional bombs. Why is it that we only hear about the death of civilian Japanese and not civillian Germans? I suspect that the words "politics" and "nuclear" will have something to do with it.

So nice of you to sit there as a revisionist and say we were wrong to stop the war with FAT BOY!

Hey hey hey, take it to the obesity forum.

Hey Trig, who's on your avatar now?

Trent Reeeeeeeeznor.
I'm on a Nine Inch Nails fix.

KINDA I WANT TO! DOODOODOODOO!

Hurry up and get over this kick. I miss Shirley!

I have like, more than forty Garbage icons.
Garbage is my favorite band and I listen to them constantly.
Slight obsession...but there's so many songs, now I have to choose an avatar and then pick a Garbage lyric for my SN...oh the work!
Be back in like, ten minutes.

I have like, more than forty Garbage icons.
Garbage is my favorite band and I listen to them constantly.
Slight obsession...but there's so many songs, now I have to choose an avatar and then pick a Garbage lyric for my signature...oh the work!
Be back in like, ten minutes.

Edit: She's dressed pretty damn whorey in the Sex Is Not The Enemy video. www.garbage.com

Wow, pioner.. i'm just amazed at your stupidity.... i'm done discussing anything with you.

Originally Posted by DDT

Originally Posted by Pioner

Darwinism is a science and got a lot of facts to support it.

Really? I am afraid that it will always only be a theory since the fossil record does not support it. As a matter of fact the fossil records are more likely to support creationism. You really need to catch up on your reading.

Uh, DDTushka, can you expand on this a bit? I thought the fossil findings support the evolution theory... I mean how does finding neanderthal fossiles support creationism? Dinsoaurs? Wake up and smell the fossil fish, DDTushka... oooh... I feel the wrath coming!! lol!

Originally Posted by DDT

Originally Posted by Pioner

Darwinism is a science and got a lot of facts to support it.

Really? I am afraid that it will always only be a theory since the fossil record does not support it. As a matter of fact the fossil records are more likely to support creationism. You really need to catch up on your reading.

Oh really? I am really impressed with your knowladge in each field. You are an expert in Koran, as you were showing here, now you are are an expert in paleontology. You are a man with many surprises!

Any hope to get a hint on sources you used for such declaration?

Originally Posted by Pioner

Creationism is a religion, got no facts to support that, outside of one or 2 books written as you said yourself by humans. By Constitution of US, religion is separeated from state, so creationism should not be taught in state schools.

Creationism or Intelligent Design Theory is the only other alternative to Evolution and is not in of itself neccesarily connected to religion. Even Albert Einstein was investigating the possibilities of this theory before he died and somehow I imagine him to be a lot smarter than you or I. For you to say that it should not be taught in schools is just plain uneducated or predjudiced.

Albert Einstein was a biologist? I never heard about that, please let me know a little bit more about that. Works in biology he published? Please, I am so eager to find out.

And you still keep in secret the name of the man who wrote Koran. So many people are really willing to find out, you will be honored for that. Please do not be shy and share your knoweldge.