Thread: London terror attack, yo. :O

"Those who are not with us are against us" - that is a simple aproach many people like that use. After 9/11 there were cases when singhs were beaten, because they look like muslims.

Islam got a lot of different branches, as christianity. Johova witnesses, mormons are Christians as well, right? Look at this from position of uneducated muslim. I do not see any difference with DDT for this case.

Originally Posted by Pioner

"Those who are not with us are against us" - that is a simple aproach many people like that use. After 9/11 there were cases when singhs were beaten, because they look like muslims.

Islam got a lot of different branches, as christianity. Johova witnesses, mormons are Christians as well, right? Look at this from position of uneducated muslim. I do not see any difference with DDT for this case.

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But, I do see a difference. Pioner, you're missing my point. Unless you wish all humans to be categorized and stereotyped. I am not speaking to reality...I am speaking to justice.

Does it help some humans to be "categorized and grouped"? Maybe, but not me. I don't think things operate that way. That's part of my faith. So, I disagree with DDT to categorize and group other faiths, and beliefs (or non-beliefs).

Yep, I know...I'm setting myself up for another Goya firing squad.

Originally Posted by Dobry

Originally Posted by Pioner

"Those who are not with us are against us" - that is a simple aproach many people like that use. After 9/11 there were cases when singhs were beaten, because they look like muslims.

Islam got a lot of different branches, as christianity. Johova witnesses, mormons are Christians as well, right? Look at this from position of uneducated muslim. I do not see any difference with DDT for this case.

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But, I do see a difference. Pioner, you're missing my point. Unless you wish all humans to be categorized and stereotyped. I am not speaking to reality...I am speaking to justice.

Does it help some humans to be "categorized and grouped"? Maybe, but not me. I don't think things operate that way. That's part of my faith. So, I disagree with DDT to categorize and group other faiths, and beliefs (or non-beliefs).

Yep, I know...I'm setting myself up for another Goya firing squad.

The problems is in Generalization. "All Blacks are lazy", "All muslims are evil", "All Jews are greedy", I can write a long list.

Originally Posted by DDT

You make some good points Prince, but you are forgetting how far back in history muslim attacks have been going on. Some say that the first attack that USA was involved in was in the 1700’s.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=38200
While you are there click on “Palestinean TV Sermon”

So the Barbary pirates motivation was 'strictly religious' and this was part of the first Muslim attack on America. Oh dear, if this is the kind of garbage you base your opinions on, then there really is no point arguing with you.

WorldNetDaily looks like a great place to get your news, by the way. I particularly like the ad on one of the pages: 'The amazing true story of miracles surrounding Mel Gibson's movie' Gives you a pretty clear idea of the kind of people who visit this site.

Originally Posted by Pioner

The problems is in Generalization. "All Blacks are lazy", "All muslims are evil", "All Jews are greedy", I can write a long list.

My point, exactly! "All Muslims are this...", "All Christians are this...", "All Americans are this...", "All Russians are this..."

And yes, the list grows very long. This is my point.

We're all individuals, with individual personalities and characters, good and bad. I disagree to group people based on faith, nationality, or heritage.

This includes making generalizations about a person, based on a holy text or culture.

Originally Posted by Dobry

Originally Posted by Pioner

The problems is in Generalization. "All Blacks are lazy", "All muslims are evil", "All Jews are greedy", I can write a long list.

My point, exactly! "All Muslims are this...", "All Christians are this...", "All Americans are this...", "All Russians are this..."

And yes, the list grows very long. This is my point.

We're all individuals, with individual personalities and characters, good and bad. I disagree to group people based on faith, nationality, or heritage.

This includes making generalizations about a person, based on a holy text or culture.

I couldn't agree with you more Dobry. You're restoring my faith in people who have faith

Originally Posted by Cyphyr

So the Barbary pirates motivation was 'strictly religious' and this was part of the first Muslim attack on America. Oh dear, if this is the kind of garbage you base your opinions on, then there really is no point arguing with you.
WorldNetDaily looks like a great place to get your news, by the way.

I have pointed out that 9/11 was not USA's first skirmish with the Muslim world and all you can do is attack the messenger by be-littleing the web-site quoted. I could have chosen a dozen sites to get that story from. I chose that site because the story there was written by an Arab. Here you can read it here again if it will make your halfwittical brain happy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... -2001Oct14

See, guys like Cyphyr want to apologise for Islam. One can only wonder if they have any historical knowlege at all when they equate Christianity to Islam. The "both religions are as bad as each other routine" doesn't cut it since Jesus, the founder of Christianity did not routinely do and say the savage things Mohammed did. Here is a little slice of Mohammad's history for you. Pay attention Pioner because these two have to do with "rape".


Massacre, Rape and Plunder of Banu-L-Mustaliq
Date: December 626 A.D.
Place: The well of Muraysi near Red Sea
Victims: The Tribe of Banu-L-Mustaliq

Mohammed attacked the Banu-L-Mustaliq because of their wealth. In a surprise raid, the Muslims drove them to the Sea. They slaughtered many members of the Banu-N-Mustaliq Tribe and looted away a booty of 2000 Camels, 5000 Sheep and 500 Women! 500 women were captured screaming and crying after they had watched their husbands and sons being slaughtered. The most beautiful captive was Juwayriyya, daughter of the chief of the Banu-L-Mustaliq. Mohammed snatched her to satisfy his own animal lust. The captured women were supposed to be returned by the Muslims upon payment of a ransom. But the night after the battle itself, Mohammed and his army raped each and every one of them. One of the men Abu Sa'id Khudri of Mohammed's army reported :

"We were lusting after women and chastity had become too hard for us, but we wanted to get the ransom money for our prisoners. So we wanted to use the "Azl" (Coitus Interruptus- where the man withdraws before ejaculating)...We asked the Prophet about it and he said: "You are not under any obligation to stop yourselves from doing it like that.." Later on the women and children were given for ransom to their envoys. They all went away to their country and not One wanted to stay although they had the choice.."

So the Great Prophet of Peace told his men it was perfectly FINE to rape women as long as you didn't ejaculate inside them (which made them pregnant). What supreme logic! Any human being with the slightest shred of morality has to be nauseated by this Man and the religion he preached. Mohammed, the supreme religious figurehead of Islam sanctions RAPE, pure and simple. Not only did the Muslims commit this horrifying crime, they decieved the Tribesmen into paying Ransom for their womenfolk, who only paid the money in a desperate attempt to save their women's honor. To call such a Prophet and his followers the epitome of Evil is probably an understatement.

Massacre of the Banu -Qurayza
Date: April-May 627 A.D.
Place: Medinah
Victims: The Last Jewish Tribe left in Medinah The Banu-Qurayza.

By this time, Mohammed had murdered or driven out all of the Jewish Tribes of Medinah, except the Banu Qurayza. It was time to eliminate this last thorn in his flesh. The Banu Qurayza had been reluctant in helping Mohammed against the Quraysh. Conveniently once again, Mohammed claimed that he had divine knowledge about a conspiracy by the Banu-Qurayza to kill him. He beseiged their fortress for Twenty-Five days. When the starving Tribe surrendered, Mohammed forced an old man from their own Tribe to pronounce Mohammed's sentence. The sentence was death to every male member of the Tribe, Slavery for every woman and child and Plunder of all their property.

The Prophet had an immense trench dug around the main market of Medinah. The men of the Banu Qurayza were rounded up & their hands twisted tightly behind them. Then one by one, they were shoved to the edge of the trench and forced to kneel. They were offered a last chance to convert to "The True Faith" and if they refused, had their heads chopped off. As soon as one head would roll off, the corpse would be kicked into the ditch, and so it went. By the time Dawn had colored the sky red in Medinah, hundreds of corpses piled up in a heap in a tangled cesspool of blood, hair and shreds of flesh. Despite the horrific end in front of their eyes, none of the Jews chose to convert to Islam and faced death valiantly. The blood of 900 innocent Jews stained Mohammed's hands on that black day.

Their only crime was that they chose to retain their fundamental human right, of choosing their own God and the religion of their ancestors. Hysterical women & children screamed as they watched their fathers, husbands & sons die. The majority of them were raped savagely and then bundled off to be sold as "used goods". The Prophet had the husband of the Jewess Raihana Bint Amr hacked to pieces before her very eyes, hours after he had murdered her father. No doubt this was the Prophet's perverted version of a wedding present, because after these atrocities he raped the mortified girl and tried to force her to convert to Islam.

Muslim historians still describe the savage rape of Raihana Bint Amr as her "willing submission to Islam and wifehood to the Prophet"

Apparently according to them it is very natural to imagine that a woman who has just seen her husband, father, brothers and Tribe slaughtered violently before her very eyes, would CHOOSE to convert to the religion of the murderer and marry him! In actual fact Raihana REFUSED to convert to Islam and also refused to marry Mohammed the murderer of her family. He kept her as a lowly concubine all his life. So much for the "Apostle of Peace" and his unbounded RESPECT for women. Mohammed was nothing but a serial rapist, who acquired his victims by killing their families first.

Allah as usual has provided yet another timeless Divine revelation which gives his Prophet the Right to rape and torture women of other religions.

Koran 4:24
"And all married women are forbidden unto you EXCEPT those captives whom your right hand possesses. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that you seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery..."



In short Allah the All Merciful is saying "Hey Muslims, it's a crime to go after married women, but IF they happen to be your captives (which obviously all the non-Muslim women were) feel free to indulge yourself in rape and sexual torture of them. "lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned" Allah is making it LEGAL for Muslims to go ahead and rape Non-Muslim women by Divine Law!

One shudders to imagine what kind of minds invented such utterly sadistic and disgusting ideas.

Mohammed justified all his crimes against the Jews with more of Allah's revelations. Although the following Surahs were not revealed at the same time as the Massacre of Banu Quraizyah, they nevertheless give a general idea of the Prophet's views on Jews and why it is perfectly fine to kill, loot and rape them.

Now, everybody! This is the example that the founder of Islam set. How can you expect the poor people under the influence of what should be described as a "cult" act any other way than to set off bombs in London subways? Come now, this is not the normal response to political grievances.

OH GOD. I can't believe I am saying this. At least THEIR freakshow isn't prostelyzing spilling their nasty ass seed INSIDE the woman, YO?

I suspect DDT gets his info on Islam from the Big Bigoted Christian Book of Why All Other Religions are Bad.

Originally Posted by TriggerHappyJack

PLEASE NO CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!!

Yes , maybe I'm wrong , but maybe I'm right . I don't know , but in playing chess sometimes for victory you have to immolate your own chessmen.

The only thing I know is that all these kind of terrorists are Muslims but all Muslims aren't terrorist.

Originally Posted by DDT

Originally Posted by Cyphyr

So the Barbary pirates motivation was 'strictly religious' and this was part of the first Muslim attack on America. Oh dear, if this is the kind of garbage you base your opinions on, then there really is no point arguing with you.
WorldNetDaily looks like a great place to get your news, by the way.

I have pointed out that 9/11 was not USA's first skirmish with the Muslim world and all you can do is attack the messenger by be-littleing the web-site quoted. I could have chosen a dozen sites to get that story from. I chose that site because the story there was written by an Arab. Here you can read it here again if it will make your halfwittical brain happy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... -2001Oct14

Thanks DDT, great link, it did make my 'halfwittical' brain happy because IT COMPLETELY PROVED MY POINT!

"For one thing, although the Barbary pirates were good at instilling terror -- using cannons and scimitars -- they were not waging a holy war against Americans. They were opportunists, historians say."

"They didn't have political objectives, they just wanted money."

It also states that the US received Muslim support in the campaign against the pirates.

"In calling on Muslims for support, Eaton, as a U.S. naval agent and the operation's leader, denounced "cruel and savage" despots who oppressed their own people -- and defiled the true teachings of Islam (Eaton had studied the Koran):

Our religion teaches us to fear and worship God and to be kind to all his creatures . . . Be assured that the God of the Americans and of the Mohometans [Muslims] is the same; the one true and omnipotent God."


The first site you linked to stated that the pirates motivation was "strictly religious". This is what I found so funny, that there were retards out there who would try to present the Barbary pirates as jihadi religious fighters akin to the modern al-Qaeda movement. And you chose it because it was written by an Arab? Yeah right, you chose it because it suited your prejudices so well. The fact that it was written by an Arab doesn't mean anything, only that you can find an Arab idiot if you want. Unfortuately, idiocy affects all peoples of the world!

Originally Posted by scotcher

I suspect DDT gets his info on Islam from the Big Bigoted Christian Book of Why All Other Religions are Bad.

I think he's hoping to get a job as a contributor to the new edition

Originally Posted by scotcher

I suspect DDT gets his info on Islam from the Big Bigoted Christian Book of Why All Other Religions are Bad.

In case you didn't notice Scotcher ol boy, I was pretty hard on the Pope and Popery a while back too!


I have posted enough historical documentation on the formation of Islam here, that if one still see's this as a religion of peace or even a healthy set of principles to style your life around after reading, then I can only conclude that you suscribe to, "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up".
Religion of peace, sheesh! Isn't there another religion out there more deserving of that title?

I mean, when was the last time you heard anyone yell, Lookout! Here comes Buddah and his band of big bellied believers."

Originally Posted by DDT

I mean, when was the last time you heard anyone yell, Lookout! Here comes Buddah and his band of big bellied believers."

Actually there are Buddhist terrorists (aka freedom fighters) in Tibet, fighting for freedom from China...

Hindu terrorists too, in India vs the Mulims...

Let's see, what is left of the major religions?

GAH! Maybe I'm just young...but organized religions, and maybe just religions in general...how can I phrase this?

NEED TO BE DESTROYED.
The best thing that could happen in my life would be complete and utter destruction of the Christian church.

That's not to say it's the only religion I hate, but it's the religion with the largest, most depressing grip on the place I live.

Now, I'm flipping running for my life before my head is torn off for not being all about Jesus, or Mohammud (SP) and Moses for that matter.

Edit: Oh, and here's my turn at a biased-religion-slashing link.
http://www.ffrf.org/nontracts/jesus.php

Originally Posted by TriggerHappyJack

GAH! Maybe I'm just young...but organized religions, and maybe just religions in general...how can I phrase this?

NEED TO BE DESTROYED.
The best thing that could happen in my life would be complete and utter destruction of the Christian church.

That's not to say it's the only religion I hate, but it's the religion with the largest, most depressing grip on the place I live.

Now, I'm flipping running for my life before my head is torn off for not being all about Jesus, or Mohammud (SP) and Moses for that matter.

Edit: Oh, and here's my turn at a biased-religion-slashing link.
http://www.ffrf.org/nontracts/jesus.php

I used to really despise religion and think that all the world's problems would be solved if it just withered away. Now, I think that's a bit simplistic and may in fact have negative consequences. There are many different varieties of religion and one that is moderate, tolerant of other viewpoints and at ease with science and modernity should not harm anyone. I remember seeing a lady on television who said she didn't believe her prayers could influence events in the physical world but believed that through them God gave her the insight and strength to deal with her problems. I thought 'Wow! now that's the kind of religion I can deal with' Unfortunately, you don't seem to see many of those people. I see loads of people who think they can change the weather on particular days or get miracle cures if they visit certain places or say certain prayers.

But what really makes me dispair is when I see people in the 21st century in the world's most technologically advanced nation trying to get creationism taught in science class. Thankfully, even the really religious people in Ireland haven't formed a movement to do that.

Originally Posted by Cyphyr

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But what really makes me dispair is when I see people in the 21st century in the world's most technologically advanced nation trying to get creationism taught in science class.

You could say the exact same thing about Darwinism.

See.. that's why I love this forum.. Yall really gets down to the shits of the matter.... whatever they are. Sex. Religious bias. Maybe a little honest racial unease...

Science in it's assumed accurate perfection can fit perfectly well in a creation theory pinned on a Christian or Judeo (or the other way around-or how ever that works) God.

The world came into formation how ever many billions of years ago...ok..
A GOD flipped the switch.... ok

CREATION!
ok...groovy
So what's with your GOD and my GOD and their GOD-- GOD=GOD

I don't see GOD jumping in with how he or she or it wants to be worshipped. Or even if she or he or it does.

Well the bible...well the Quran...

I see GOD saying... KIDS. shoo shoo go play..

And I see HUMANS making a big ol rediculous fuss of this.

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Originally Posted by DDT

I mean, when was the last time you heard anyone yell, Lookout! Here comes Buddah and his band of big bellied believers."

Actually there are Buddhist terrorists (aka freedom fighters) in Tibet, fighting for freedom from China...

Hindu terrorists too, in India vs the Mulims...

Let's see, what is left of the major religions?

Atheism?