Thread: Sochi Olympics and the Law against Gays in Russia +

Originally Posted by maxmixiv

Do you mean they have some special rights above "ordinary" men?
What these rights are worth if nevertheless

No. They do not have special rights above "ordinary men." There are simply laws in place which make it illegal to beat, kill, torture, and harass people because they are gay (or black, or Jewish, or any other class of people who have a history of being persecuted in our country). These laws are necessary now, because gay people are hated more than "ordinary" (ie, heterosexual) men.

To be even clearer, no rights are being taken away from heterosexual people, just because gays are protected by law. All these protections mean is that you can no longer fire someone from their job because they are gay. If they are a bad employee, you can still fire them. But you cannot fire them just because they are gay. Without these laws in place, discrimination is allowed and gay people have no legal recourse to fight a wrongful termination, for example.

Originally Posted by Deborski

No. They do not have special rights above "ordinary men." There are simply laws in place which make it illegal to beat, kill, torture, and harass people because they are gay (or black, or Jewish, or any other class of people who have a history of being persecuted in our country). These laws are necessary now, because gay people are hated more than "ordinary" (ie, heterosexual) men.

To be even clearer, no rights are being taken away from heterosexual people, just because gays are protected by law. All these protections mean is that you can no longer fire someone from their job because they are gay. If they are a bad employee, you can still fire them. But you cannot fire them just because they are gay. Without these laws in place, discrimination is allowed and gay people have no legal recourse to fight a wrongful termination, for example.

I would love more the law, which forbids to kill anyone, and I think you have it. Why not "enforce" it then?
In case of employer-employee relationships, I doubt that the cause of the fire can be proved. Simply lazy gays will be hard to fire. It is eternal issue: in Russia, there are special laws to prevent unfair terminations in respect to women (they tend to suddenly make kids and can miss the work for years, retaining the position), but it is revealed that "fair" termination became also almost impossible.