Thread: Что произойдет в восточной Украине? (Eastern Ukraine?)

Originally Posted by Hanna

...But lots of people in the ex USSR have the ideology down, don't they - and they know the recipe to raise up, get organised and do something. Many of them are risking everything. It's brave.....

agreed, but they are by no means the only ones; others were brave, raised up and risked everything too; eg Tunesia, Egypt, Lybia, Syria, Rwanda, DRC Congo, Srilanka, even in Europe eg Serbia-Croatia-Bosnia Herzigovina = though some of them with horrendous consequences

Originally Posted by eisenherz

agreed, but they are by no means the only ones; others were brave, raised up and risked everything too; eg Tunesia, Egypt, Lybia, Syria, Rwanda, DRC Congo, Srilanka, even in Europe eg Serbia-Croatia-Bosnia Herzigovina = though some of them with horrendous consequences

Yes, but the Arab springs backfired didn't they? None of these countries are actually better off. But Crimea probably will be....
And I DO think that most of what happens in Eastern Ukraine is organised by locals.

Like I said, they have the ideology, they've done military service and some are even war veterans. I don't think they NEED Russia to take over some buildings and come up with a manifesto. The question is whether they chose to get Russia involved, or not, and whether Russia has reached out to them, or not.

it-Ogo is talking about having actually seen and heard people there who he think are Russians and not Ukrainians. It's certainly not an unfeasible idea.

If the rumours that Blackwater (Akademi) are there pushing US interests,is true, then I think Russia would just kneejerk send some elite command or something out of sheer territorialism. I think we have to listen carefully to it-Ogo, at the end of the day he's the only person who is actually there, and we know him since many years as an intelligent person who keeps a rational perspective.

On the other hand, I for one overcompensate the onslaught of propaganda in Western media by putting (perhaps) too much trust in Russian media, like RT, which I happen to like, and Vesti, where I am too focussed on understanding what they are saying to think critically about the content.

Many involved in the uprising appear to be administrators, managers etc. I think they have the guts, know-how and experience locally. And frankly it's quite cool.
But that doesn't mean that Moscow doesn't have some kind of link to them.

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Unfortunately, you can only find that info on Yle's website or RT and the Voice of Russia. The other Western media do not seem interested in distributing that information. I guess, they don't think it's important info for the public. Indeed, some Chief of Intelligence of EU said something about the missing proof.. who cares? Who needs the military intelligence anyway?

I'll read it for sure. Didn't know YLE has news in Russian but that's nice to hear. I read them sometimes, and it's state TV in Finland. They are usually quite balanced in how they report on Russia apart from the occasional outburst of paranoia during RU military exercises... They often have a Swedish version, so if the Russian text is too hard I might be able to use that. Great tip.

Originally Posted by Hanna

I'll read it for sure. Didn't know YLE has news in Russian but that's nice to hear. I read them sometimes, and it's state TV in Finland. They are usually quite balanced in how they report on Russia apart from the occasional outburst of paranoia during RU military exercises... They often have a Swedish version, so if the Russian text is too hard I might be able to use that. Great tip.

Novosti YLE daily TV-news Novosti Yle: 23.04.2014 16.50 | Tv | Areena | yle.fi started about a year ago and I think radio news have been on air for decades. Novosti has been a great source for me in my efforts to learn Russian, because it subtitled in Finnish. I think YLE is relatively objective and I am happy to support it with my minimal tax effort. I also watch and read Vesti, but my language skills are not good enough to keep in pace with their live news.

I want to thank everyone who have written here about the situation in Ukraine, because every news channel has some amount of propaganda. Here also are many different opinions, but I find this site very helpful in understanding what is going on. I will not make any prophecies, I simply don't have enough knowledge, but I hope for no more violence and I hope for a reasonable welfare for everybody. That sounds naive hippie-shit, but nothing, really nothing is worth killing people.

Edit: Sorry, that the link is off-topic... Yesterdays news happened to concern only Finnish things, but there is normally foreign news, too, and from the bottom of the page you can find older broadcasts.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Yes, but the Arab springs backfired didn't they? None of these countries are actually better off. But Crimea probably will be....
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it is probably offtopic, but I would argue that Tunesia is better off, so is Lybia without Gadaffi (just ask all the student girls raped by the dictator), Egypt not, and Crimea may or may not be (time will tell)