Thread: Local people comment what happened in Mariupol at 9th May (video) + related

Originally Posted by Hanna

Oh, ok. I guess that's what happens when you try to listen to something that's above your skill level and fill in the blanks with guesses!
Totally misunderstanding something is the worst part of learning a language.
Frankly I joined the forum for the language aspect and keep getting distracted and carried away by the politics. As you can tell, it's something that interests me a lot. But I really need to reverse this! All the initial questions I had about the politics of Russia and the ex-USSR were answered a long time ago. I should spend my time in the language section instead.
Thanks for the transcript Alex - I check it out in a sec.

Don't get discouraged. Anyone can make a mistake and don't forget, language = language + culture. I think it could easily happen that someone could speak fluent Russian and still not understand Russians when they speak. That's because you can't separate the language from the people - It's basically the same thing.
And it's even more interesting than that. I thought I knew the Russian alphabet till I saw some commemorative coins. That's how I learned about the old Church Slavonic alphabet that was developed in Byzantium in the 900's AD. But now that I know the Church Slavonic alphabet, I can read all the new commemorative coins. There's new ones now for the Victory of the Russian Fleet, the Church of St. George in Dzivgis village, the house museum of Ivan Turgenev, and the Epiphany old Golutvin Monestary btw. It's also been helpful to study phraseology. A new one I learned last night was Кузькина мать (Kuzka's mother). It basically means "I'll show you!" and it was used in N. G. Pomyalovsky's novel "Брат и сестра" and also in Chekhov's "Хамелеоне" ("Он увидит у меня, что значит собака и прочий бродячий скот. Я ему покажу кузькину мать..." I'll show him gruel... Learning a new language is like an amazing adventure because you learn about the people too and the history and everything else.
But I really don't get how I missed the development of old Church Slavonic when I was studying Byzantium. But hey, even I make mistakes.

Anyway, I did notice that the interviewer wasn't responding to anything that dude was saying. She just wanted him to keep talking. It was almost like an interrogation.

Originally Posted by Alex_krsk

This is definitely a mainstream media.


В «Шустер Live» журналист «Sunday Times» рассказал правду об ополченцах ДНР

Look at the histeric that started at 4:32. "Savik, let's stop this ... propaganda. I understand that he saw that with his own eyes but to spread this BS to whole Ukrain it's just a shame...." (said in Ukrainian)
And all others were like that.
Finally they came to a conclusion that he's either Putin's agent or just crazy

Here's brief stranscript of that show В «Шустер Live» журналист «Sunday Times» рассказал правду об ополченцах ДН

BTW Mark Franchetti speaks russian with heavy accent but with amazing fluency and knowlege of slang

Thanks for the transcripts! That really helps and I think it's important for news like that to reach other Western people who can't transliterate Russian youtubes.

Btw, I hope it-ogo is okay.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

Thanks for the transcripts! That really helps and I think it's important for news like that to reach other Western people who can't transliterate Russian youtubes.

this is the actual report in the Sunday Times.

Pinned to the ground by blizzard of bullets | The Sunday Times

My face is pressed so hard into the ground I can taste the dirt. I am wearing a brand new flak jacket and helmet, but I feel completely exposed.
Around me a fierce battle is raging between Ukrainian soldiers defending a border crossing with Russia and pro-Moscow separatists fighting to capture it. Dmitry Beliakov, a photographer for this paper, and I are caught in the middle.
Bullets whizz around us, cutting the air with a distinctive whistle and a metallic ping as they repeatedly hit an armoured personnel carrier (APC) a few yards away from us already riddled with holes

Скоро армия перестанет выполнять приказы

Ситуацию может спасти смена силового руководства, привлечение военных с реальным боевым опытом и переговоры на высшем уровне между Украиной, Евросоюзом и Россией, считает экс-глава разведки.

Отсутствие четких приказов, координации силовых ведомств и плохое снабжение в ближайшее время приведет к неповиновению украинской армии, участвующей в АТО, считает экс-глава Службы внешней разведки Украины Николай Маломуж.


That reminds me russian army of the 90s. When russia has american puppet government. Many guys just died for nothing because of stupid commanders. Those "generals" who took their positions for bribes had no idea of a real histilities. All they wanted was to make money selling weapons.

http://ru.tsn.ua/ukrayina/v-centre-k...ti-374394.html

https://www.facebook.com/butusov.yur...91778507529114

Интересно правда ли всё это. Вроде бы этот Беслер арестован

Originally Posted by Lampada

https://www.facebook.com/butusov.yur...91778507529114

Интересно правда ли всё это. Вроде бы этот Беслер арестован

One of the things that help to distinguish a thinking, open minded human being from an information war spawn is the information one reposts.

I believe that when some information compromises one side the only source that could be trusted is the official source of that very side. In this case that information is admitted by those whom it could be used against. And that more or less proves it to be true.

An of course qouting some social network posts is just out of the question.

Originally Posted by Alex_krsk

One of the things that help to distinguish a thinking, open minded human being from an information was spawn is the information one reposts.

I believe that when some information compromises one side the only source that could be trusted is the official source of that very side. In this case that information is admitted by those whom it could be used against. And that more or less proves it to be true.

An of course qouting some social network posts is just out of the question.

Хоть бы по-русски троллил, и то б была какая-то от этого польза.

Originally Posted by Lampada

Хоть бы по-русски троллил, и то б была какая-то от этого польза.

Троллингом я бы назвал как раз то что выше. Беспочвенное обвинение в троллинге - троллинг и есть.

(К тому же ожидать такого от модератора. Хотя о чём это я....)

Хотя если обоснование собственной системы оценки источников информации - это, по вашему, троллинг, тогда конечно извиняюсь.

Originally Posted by Lampada

Хоть бы по-русски троллил, и то б была какая-то от этого польза.

А тебе самой не стыдно репостить бред "дочерей офицеров", пытающихся оправдать укромерзости и в конец изолгавшихся? Тьфу, противно.
Вот история редактирований поста - очевидно, что эта тварь сидит и на ходу сочиняет:

Originally Posted by Basil77

... - очевидно, что эта тварь сидит и на ходу сочиняет: ...

Значит, всё это враньё. Тогда хорошо, а то народ там на ФБ расстраивается.

Ну вот до этого места я еще верила, но это уже полная клюква...

Они начали обстреливать огромную усадьбу бизнесмена из гранатометов и крупнокалиберных пулеметов. Завязался очень тяжелый бой

Да и правильно там в комментариях заметили, что у рассказчика сначала сеть магазинов комплектующих для машин, а потом сказано "я занимаюсь сельским хозяйством".

I get so upset at this that I can't even write about it anymore.

This will not be forgotten or forgiven within the lifetimes of the people who had to flee, had friends or relatives killed, or their houses. How could they? If the government of my country had tried to kill people in my region and bombed it, I 'd want nothing more to do with it. Surely that's how most people would react?

It seems inconceivable that they go back as if nothing had happened and just continue on like before.

And Europeans who imagine they care about human rights and fairness are fed lies and propaganda in mainstream media. They don't know what's going on and imagine that it is somehow Russia's fault that people are being killed in Donbass.

I understand why it-ogo got too upset with some comments by Russian members to continue participating. But I would really like to hear how she feels about it now, and if she still believes everything that happens there is Russia's fault.

What are Putin's plans regarding this? Is he as shocked as everybody else, or does he have a blueprint he is working ? If so, what?

Ханна, it-ogo is he, not she.

Originally Posted by Lampada

Ханна, it-ogo is he, not she.

That's certainly what I always assumed. But Alex said it was a woman, did you see that... Maybe it was intended as a not-so-polite insult to call him a woman? Or Alex simply got mixed up. But I assumed he knew something I didn't...

Originally Posted by Lampada

Ханна, it-ogo is he, not she.

I remember myself talking with him on the forum a couple of years ago, and even though he never directly said that (neither did I put up the question that way), it was just too obvious it was him, not her. Anyway, that's the price one pays for picking such ambiguous and indistinguishable nicknames, and that's why I never do. =))

Originally Posted by Lampada

Ханна, it-ogo is he, not she.

Странно, как-то встречал в постах личные женские окончания.

P.S. Я с многими, в том числе не появляющимися на форуме, общаюсь до сих пор по скайпу и аське, и в соц. сетях, а вот с it-ogo как-то не довелось. Жаль

Their faces are covered with sweat and dirt. One of them was wounded in the arm, lying in the mud, while his companion bandage his wound. Another makes it antishock injection in the thigh.
My left Lyudmila only woman joined the fighters, experienced nurse, now in the form of a field of clothing

This is auto translated and not edited. It goes on like this for most of the article. It really gives a poor impression. Is that the best Sunday Times can do?
Plus - you are supposed to take out a subscription to read it!

Originally Posted by Hanna

This is auto translated and not edited. It goes on like this for most of the article.
Is that the best Sunday Times can do?

yes. it's probly translated back from inopressa.ru translation. http://inopressa.ru/article/09jun201...aytimes/ukr_fr
I think i better delete it and loook for original text/

No, no - I don't think that's necessary. It's readable. I was just surprised that Sunday times would publish something of that quality. Personally, I can never follow descriptions of battles anyway, so it's lost on me, at least.

The narrative for this has already been set in the West. Most people only take in the headlines of what's right under their noses. Here is what English speaking people, and Europeans now believe:

• Euromaidan were freedom fighters who overthrew a Moscow puppet dictator
• Russia invaded Crimea militarily against the will of many in the population, after a fake/rigged referendum.
• Everything bad that happened since then, particlularly in the East, is Russia's fault.
• The Eastern rebels are terrorists supported logistically from Moscow.
• Putin is doing this due to "Russian imperialism" and/or dreams about resurrecting the USSR.
• All this proves Russia is a threat to Europe and must be stopped from meddling in other countries.

We have at least two people participating in this thread, who believe exactly this.

Also: Ukraine is "old news" now - ISIS and Iraq is the latest story. Another country f-cked up by Western intervention.

Originally Posted by Hanna

No, no - I don't think that's necessary. It's readable. I was just surprised that Sunday times would publish something of that quality.

th sunday times - charges for every article to read online. Even old ones.

BTW. If Franchetti doesn't lie in that report, i can say that there was no one respetively trained and experienced. NO ONE!

The narrative for this has already been set in the West. Most people only take in the headlines of what's right under their noses. Here is what English speaking people, and Europeans now believe:


Euromaidan were freedom fighters who overthrew a Moscow puppet dictator
Russia invaded Crimea militarily against the will of many in the population, after a fake/rigged referendum.
Everything bad that happened since then, particlularly in the East, is Russia's fault.
The Eastern rebels are terrorists supported logistically from Moscow.
Putin is doing this due to "Russian imperialism" and/or dreams about resurrecting the USSR.
All this proves Russia is a threat to Europe and must be stopped from meddling in other countries.

that was expected. I'm not surprised and see no problem