Thread: Latest from Ukraine

Originally Posted by hddscan

IDK how you were able to come up with such description but here is what wiki says:

I see, or hear if you wish, it around me. Maybe wiki knows better. It's your choice whom to believe.

Anyway, did you read all of this article? It has this:

Современное употребление

В современном украинском политическом лексиконе слово «москаль» и производные от него употребляются преимущественно с резко негативными коннотациями. При этом они применяются, как правило, к российским великодержавным шовинистам, сторонникам «русского мира», независимо от их этнической принадлежности.

Quite close to my definition, really. Including "независимо от их этнической принадлежности" part, of which I'm amazed because I was sure that no Russian Russian would know that.

Originally Posted by E-learner

Maybe wiki knows better.

Since this word is used from 17th century I think wiki knows better. "Modern political Ukrainian language" is just one of the ways to re-write history, as well as creating the whole "Ministry of truth" in Ukraine
The word is specifically used to offend all the Russians and no matter how "modern political Ukrainian language" sugarcoats it, the word does not change the meaning.

It's a perfect occasion for me to use that phrase

Originally Posted by E-learner

It's a perfect occasion for me to use that phrase

I'm going to assume that you were not looking for an occasion to offend people but for something else

Originally Posted by E-learner

It's a perfect occasion for me to use that phrase

LOL! Yeah, since Russians have Ukrainian relatives and Ukrainians have Russian relatives then the modern meaning of that word is probably political and not ethnic.
Anyway, I think for you it is a political word and it's all about what I said in one of my other posts in this thread:

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

The meaning is in the people and not in the words...

In America, the 'N' word isn't just used on black people. It's used on anybody that people consider slow or awkward. Also in America, anybody can be called a Jew. It's more about traits than ethnicity.