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Originally Posted by E-learner

"Москаль" is not "a Russian". This word has a long history, but I'll just summarize the contemporary usage.
It's a person, as a rule a Russian but not necessarily, who thinks that Ukraine must not exist, or must be a part of Russia. Or thinks that Ukrainian nation or language do not exist, etc etc. That sort of person.

I have no idea about how serious about that phrase are ultra-nationalists, but ordinary people usually use it for trolling Russians.
And Ukrainian Russians can easily use it, too, by the way. Although, I think, most Russian-speaking people in Ukraine are identifying themselves as Ukrainians. It's difficult to tell. There is no "nationality" field in our passports and I don't remember this matter ever to come up in conversations.

Even that, matter of fact it's a call or threat to kill people with a different opinion. Those, who you think are 'Moskals', don't propose to erase from the Earth conterporary Ukraine or Ukrainians, they just think that the Ukrainian state and language were artificially created from ancient Rus states by its occupiers, that the name 'Ukraine' and many words came from Poland. There are such people living in Ukraine who see different their history and origin from official versions, why shoud they be threatened there?

Originally Posted by rimz

Even that, matter of fact it's a call or threat to kill people with a different opinion. Those, who you think are 'Moskals', don't propose to erase from the Earth conterporary Ukraine or Ukrainians, they just think that the Ukrainian state and language were artificially created from ancient Rus states by its occupiers, that the name 'Ukraine' and many words came from Poland.

"Opinion"? "They just think"?
Russia is eating Ukraine up bit by bit and they salute their idol for that.

Originally Posted by rimz

There are such people living in Ukraine who see different their history and origin from official versions, why shoud they be threatened there?

As I understand it, now we proceed from 'moskals' from Russia to 'moskals' from Ukraine.

Inside Ukraine, there is a tendency to call 'moskals' only people in high positions. For example, Simonenko, the leader of "communist" party (couldn't fight the urge to use quotation marks because, in fact, it's let's-join-the-Russian-Empier party).

As an example from another extreme -- those ordinary people with guns who now cooperate with the occupants do not get called 'moskals'. For the time being, at least. Time will tell.

Originally Posted by E-learner

Russia is eating Ukraine up bit by bit and they salute their idol for that.

I thought it's Ukrainian government cutting Ukraine off bit by bit
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Originally Posted by E-learner

"Opinion"? "They just think"?
Russia is eating Ukraine up bit by bit and they salute their idol for that.

Actually there are many active voices condemning the "idol" haven't had drastic defend Donbass people. I believe most of them wish to be well to Ukraine and respect Ukrainians' freedom but they don't want violated freedom of Donbass.

As I understand it, now we proceed from 'moskals' from Russia to 'moskals' from Ukraine.

Inside Ukraine, there is a tendency to call 'moskals' only people in high positions. For example, Simonenko, the leader of "communist" party (couldn't fight the urge to use quotation marks because, in fact, it's let's-join-the-Russian-Empier party).

As an example from another extreme -- those ordinary people with guns who now cooperate with the occupants do not get called 'moskals'. For the time being, at least. Time will tell.

There is also a tendency to punish and "lustrate" non-consented quite non-democraticly, isn't there?
The point was about the danger to lives and helth of real people, those "banderas" much more dangerous for opposers in Ukraine than in Russian borders.

Originally Posted by rimz

Actually there are many active voices condemning the "idol" haven't had drastic defend Donbass people. I believe most of them wish to be well to Ukraine and respect Ukrainians' freedom but they don't want violated freedom of Donbass.

There is also a tendency to punish and "lustrate" non-consented quite non-democraticly, isn't there?
The point was about the danger to lives and helth of real people, those "banderas" much more dangerous for opposers in Ukraine than in Russian borders.

'don't want violated freedom of Donbass.'
What 'freedom of Donbass?' Are you saying that the Novorossiya territory is a 'democracy?'

Originally Posted by 14Russian

'don't want violated freedom of Donbass.'
What 'freedom of Donbass?' Are you saying that the Novorossiya territory is a 'democracy?'

'freedom of Donbass' is not the same as ''freedom in Donbass'' to infer your last phrase. So I meant freedom not to be invided by Ukraine or anyone else.
Freedom is the right for people themselves to choose their destiny without any compulsions from outside. Novorossiya is to form, the DNR and LNR held referendums of independence and as you know they have been fighting and have many hardships so far.