Thread: Latest from Ukraine

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

They held a parade to honor a Nazi collaborator named Stepan Bandera.

Richard Nixon / Bill Clinton: "Sometimes in order to fight one evil you should cooperate with an other evil".

My first question is why Stepan Bandera cooperated with Hitler? He was a мизантроп? He wanted people to burn in gas chambers? He was just insane?
What he wanted from that cooperation with that beast Hitler?

Originally Posted by Antonio1986

Richard Nixon / Bill Clinton: "Sometimes in order to fight one evil you should cooperate with an other evil".

My first question is why Stepan Bandera cooperated with Hitler? He was a мизантроп? He wanted people to burn in gas chambers? He was just insane?
What he wanted from that cooperation with that beast Hitler?

Was Bandera insane? Was Stalin insane? Was Chamberlain insane? Who knows. They all cooperated and Hitler fooled them all.
For some reason, Bandera thought Germany would help to establish Ukrainian state. Instead, shortly after invading the Soviet Union, in 1941, Hitler put him in prison and later in a concentration camp. So much for cooperation.

An important thing to know about Bandera -- he had nothing to do with "дивизия СС "Галичина". Those who associated themselves with him fought against Germans as well as against Soviets or Poles (after his imprisonment, I mean).

Originally Posted by E-learner

Was Bandera insane? Was Stalin insane? Was Chamberlain insane? Who knows. They all cooperated and Hitler fooled them all.
For some reason, Bandera thought Germany would help to establish Ukrainian state. Instead, shortly after invading the Soviet Union, in 1941, Hitler put him in prison and later in a concentration camp. So much for cooperation.

An important thing to know about Bandera -- he had nothing to do with "дивизия СС "Галичина". Those who associated themselves with him fought against Germans as well as against Soviets or Poles (after his imprisonment, I mean).

Looks like you are portraying him rather like a stray sheep and not a true cold blood murderer. But how about this passage;

What else separates the Banderas from every other genocidal perpetrator of the war is this: Even though the German SS had units dedicated to genocide, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) approached this mission with a zeal and barbarity that Hitler’s own units could not muster. (Deleted. L.).

Ukraine’s Neo-Nazis. Stepan Bandera and the Legacy of World War II | Global Research

He seems to be different from Hitler only in the scale of his misdeeds but not in its character. And why do some Ukrainians so desperately want to revive this "skeleton" from the "cupboard" right now? My guess it's mainly done in order to troll Russians even more assiduously

Originally Posted by diogen_

Looks like you are portraying him rather like a stray sheep and not a true cold blood murderer. But how about this passage;


Ukraine’s Neo-Nazis. Stepan Bandera and the Legacy of World War II | Global Research

He seems to be different from Hitler only in the scale of his misdeeds but not in its character. And why do some Ukrainians so desperately want to revive this "skeleton" from the "cupboard" right now? My guess it's mainly done in order to troll Russians even more assiduously

You're going to cite Global Research as your source?

There's a lot of ridiculous assertions in this thread and I can see why Ukrainians just abandoned it.

Originally Posted by diogen_

Looks like you are portraying him rather like a stray sheep and not a true cold blood murderer. But how about this passage;


Ukraine’s Neo-Nazis. Stepan Bandera and the Legacy of World War II | Global Research

He seems to be different from Hitler only in the scale of his misdeeds but not in its character. And why do some Ukrainians so desperately want to revive this "skeleton" from the "cupboard" right now? My guess it's mainly done in order to troll Russians even more assiduously

Did you see this in the article? :
"Under the militant leadership of Stepan Bandera in World War II, the ultra-nationalists organized the Ukrainian Waffen SS Galician".
That's enough to stop reading right there. It's not a credible source. Just a piece of Soviet/Russian style propaganda.

"The Banderas, or Banderites, are activists in the Ukrainian Ultra Nationalist movement that is now in control of the government in Ukraine."
I recognize the pen of Mr. Lavrov.
Ridiculous. You can not even begin to understand how ridiculous this is.

Now. I am not saying UPA did not commit any atrocities. There hardly exist an army that didn't. But it wasn't in the question I was answering.

About trolling -- yes, there is a bit of that.

Originally Posted by Antonio1986

Richard Nixon / Bill Clinton: "Sometimes in order to fight one evil you should cooperate with an other evil".

My first question is why Stepan Bandera cooperated with Hitler? He was a мизантроп? He wanted people to burn in gas chambers? He was just insane?
What he wanted from that cooperation with that beast Hitler?

Probably thought there wasn't any choice of an ally who would confront the SU. The USA didn't. No one else did. Of course, most of the sources nowadays are maintained by Russia, USA etc., soviet/communist sources so you will only get one side.

In Russia, certain cronies and clans turn against each other when interests no longer coincide. Is it possible that this happened then? I read that Bandera wanted a 'Greater Ukraine' and when Russia/Novorossiya decide to occupy territory, no one bats an eyelash. But, because these aren't neo-Soviet types, they are villains. It's a matter of perspective or point of view and those nationalists probably thought they wanted to secure their own territory. There were a lot of territorial disputes then and various nationalities/ethnicities all living in the same area.