Thread: Crimea joining the Russian Federation and its implications?

There was no choice whatsoever. To fight for what? For whom? They've told everything's going to be if not better but the same at least. You really think they'd be supporting Ukrainian cause in this situation? I really doubt they were bullied into vote and I really doubt many people in Crimea now are disappointed about how the things have turned out.

Originally Posted by Ramil

There was no choice whatsoever. To fight for what? For whom? They've told everything's going to be if not better but the same at least. You really think they'd be supporting Ukrainian cause in this situation? I really doubt they were bullied into vote and I really doubt many people in Crimea now are disappointed about how the things have turned out.

As for Tatars - they can fight, for example, for not being cleaned again. You can easily see even at our forum that ethnic cleaning is not something tootally inacceptable for the most of contemporary Russian citizens. Though those few Crimean Tatars I knew personally were very peaceful people.

Yes, I beleve that most locals doesn't care about Ukrainian cause, and just want to live and hope for better. I believe even that in 1941 in territories captured by Germans situation was the same and if Hitler cared for referendum and provided some informatonal and organizational efforts, most people would come and vote for joining Reich without direct threat and being arrested etc. If people are not actually provided with a choice, the majority just do whatever current authority wants them to - just in case.

Before invasion there was a choice - and there were discussions, political life, demonstrations even a kind of quarrels and fights in Crimea. After invasion all of that stopped - there is nothing to discuss anymore, everything is quiet and even crime rate dropped down ( ), just some armed men without signs here and there. Well, the society of slaves has many pros against the society of citizens, yes.

Originally Posted by it-ogo

As for Tatars - they can fight, for example, for not being cleaned again. You can easily see even at our forum that ethnic cleaning is not something tootally inacceptable for the most of contemporary Russian citizens. Though those few Crimean Tatars I knew personally were very peaceful people.

Noone's going to cleanse them. You know it, they know it, and I know it as well. So stop bullshitting people.

Originally Posted by it-ogo

I believe even that in 1941 in territories captured by Germans situation was the same and if Hitler cared for referendum and provided some informatonal and organizational efforts, most people would come and vote for joining Reich without direct threat and being arrested etc.

Then why so many people on occupied territories went underground and joined resistance?

P.S. I'm just stating my point. I'm not going to argue with you since you apparently have set your mind to stone about several things that I simply do not agree with.

P.S.S. There was NO invasion, by the way. According to treaty with the Ukrainian government Russia could station up to 25,000 servicemen in Crimea. From a political standpoint Russia did nothing wrong (I'm not questioning abstract morality of the whole situation since I do not believe there is a place for such things in politics - just the so called 'internationa law'). There was a coup in Kiev, the official government was overthrown and some political opportunists seized the power without vote. There was nobody official in Kiev to negotiate with so Russia simply took the necessary actions to protect its assets in Crimea. As for the referendum - it just happenned alongway. That is the consequence of illegal and unconstitutional actions that took place in Kiev.

Originally Posted by Ramil

Noone's going to cleanse them. You know it, they know it and I know it as well. So stop bullshitting people.

I knew that noone would attack Ukraine from the East when we experience difficult time to cut a part of territory and cause/support all kind of troubles on the rest of our territory. My knowledge was wrong. Rules are in the process of change and noone knows where it comes. Why not some cleansings? Who will mind? Will you?

Originally Posted by it-ogo

I knew that noone would attack Ukraine from the East when we experience difficult time to cut a part of territory and cause/support all kind of troubles on the rest of our territory. My knowledge was wrong. Rules are in the process of change and noone knows where it comes. Why not some cleansings? Who will mind? Will you?

As I said - that's pure bullshit.

Originally Posted by Ramil

As I said - that's pure bullshit.

I know, that's pure bullshit - you will never protest against any crime of your rulers and state. That's why mr. Poo can do whatever he likes and cleanse whoever he likes.

Originally Posted by it-ogo

I know, that's pure bullshit - you will never protest against any crime of your rulers and state. That's why mr. Poo can do whatever he likes and cleanse whoever he likes.

You protested much as it appears. There's no use in crying over a spilled milk. Still there will be no cleanings. I was speaking of them, not protesting against anything.

Originally Posted by Ramil

Russia simply took the necessary actions to protect its assets in Crimea

Took actions and in passing the whole peninsula

Originally Posted by maxmixiv

Took actions and in passing the whole peninsula

No way. It was the locals who voted yesterday. Russian soldiers simply made sure there was no threats to their naval base and the civilians considering the absence of legitimate power in Ukraine.

Originally Posted by Ramil

Russian soldiers simply made sure there was no threats to their naval base and the civilians considering the absence of legitimate power in Ukraine.

Of course