Thread: Verbs of motion

Originally Posted by Ramil

Означает, что ты был вынужден расстаться с крупной суммой денег. Например - ты разбил машину, или сходил ко врачу

So does it means, you'd need money to get out of this situation (predicament)?

Originally Posted by tohca

Originally Posted by Ramil

Означает, что ты был вынужден расстаться с крупной суммой денег. Например - ты разбил машину, или сходил ко врачу

So does it means, you'd need money to get out of this situation (predicament)?

It could mean ether.

Она залетела, подзалетела (сленг) = Она забеременела (случайно, не планируя этого).

Originally Posted by Оля

Originally Posted by JackBoni

Does the verb "влететь" mean "to fly into" in the sense of "The plane flew into the building"....

Yes, it does. Although we usually say "врезаться" in this case:
Самолёт врезался в здание.

Actually, влететь do mean врезаться here. It's another, figurative, meaning of the verb. You can влететь в столб, for example. It doesn't mean you went inside the column, it doesn't even mean you had flown.

So, to summarise movement verbs:

Я иду в кино с моими друзьями
Я часто езжу в город, чтобы покупать молока и хлеба.

Она хочет ездить в Ирландию, чтобы навещать бабушу.
Когда идёт дождь, я играю с братом в компьютерные игры.
Мы с младшей сестрой любим ходить по парку

Спасибо большое за вашу помощь. Я думаю, что я теперь понимаю намного лучше. Я жду с нетерпенем исправления.

Originally Posted by JackBoni

So, to summarise movement verbs:

Я иду в кино с моими друзьями

Possible with meaning "I am going now"
If you imply "I go regularly" you should say:
Я хожу в кино с моими друзьями

Я часто езжу в город, чтобы покупать молоко и хлеб_. (accusative seems much better here)

Perfect!

Она хочет ездить в Ирландию, чтобы навещать бабушку.

Possible if you mean "She wants to go to Ireland regularly (many times)"
If you mean "She wants to go there once" you should say
Она хочет поехать в Ирландию, чтобы навестить бабушку.

Когда идёт дождь, я играю с братом в компьютерные игры.

Perfect!

Мы с младшей сестрой любим ходить по парку

Perfect!

Спасибо большое за вашу помощь. Я думаю, что я теперь понимаю намного лучше. Я жду с нетерпением исправления.

Я часто езжу в город, чтобы покупать молоко и хлеб.

But you can also say:

Я часто езжу в город, чтобы купить молока и хлеба.

And it sounds even more natural for me.

However, pay attention that we use accusative for the first option, and genitive partitive for the second one.

I've just noticed that fact, and I do not know how to explain it yet An interesting case to think about...

Oh, that's interesting. I'm used to French, where you normally have to say "some" when referring to food or drink. The accusative is more natural in Russian then. I'll remember that. Спасибо

Originally Posted by JackBoni

Oh, that's interesting. I'm used to French, where you normally have to say "some" when referring to food or drink. The accusative is more natural in Russian then. I'll remember that. Спасибо

That's not a general rule!

I only meant that "купить хлеба и молока" is OK!
But "покупать хлеба и молока" sounds strange (at least for me), "покупать хлеб и молоко" is preferrable.

So I meant it also depends on the aspect and (probably) on the verb. But I am not sure yet, I'll try to examine more examples before I come to a conclusion.

Maybe some other Russians know how to explain it?

Ок. Я буду искать ответов в моих книгах. У меня много книг, в которых бы можно ответов.

Спасибо за помощь.
Джек

Originally Posted by Боб Уайтман

...I only meant that "купить хлеба и молока" is OK!
But "покупать хлеба и молока" sounds strange (at least for me), "покупать хлеб и молоко" is preferrable.

So I meant it also depends on the aspect and (probably) on the verb. But I am not sure yet, I'll try to examine more examples before I come to a conclusion.

Maybe some other Russians know how to explain it?

Розенталь думает, что дело здесь в полном или частичном охвате предмета действием (родительный части):
И точно, покупать - это вообще, не часть чего-то, а купить какую-то часть.

Originally Posted by JackBoni

Ок. Я буду искать ответов в моих книгах. У меня много книг, в которых бы можно ответов.

Спасибо за помощь.
Джек

That last part doesn't work, you're missing a verb. What are you trying to say?

I tried to say...

"I will look for some answers in my books. I have lots of books that could have answers." it's possible there could be answers in them... something along those lines.

Спасибо. Я стараюсь улучшать свое знание русского языка, хотя я часто буду делать ошибки.

Джек.

... в которых можно (было бы) найти ответы.

In this case it's better not to use "было бы".

P.S.

Я буду искать ответы в моих книгах/учебниках

Мы с младшей сестрой любим ходить по парку

I don't think this sentence is perfect. It would be fine either:
Мы с младшей сестрой любим ходить в парк.
or:
Мы с младшей сестрой любим гулять по парку.
or also:
Мы с младшей сестрой любим бродить по парку.

Maybe some other Russians know how to explain it?

Покупать + genitive is impossible, I think.
Покупать always requires an accusative.

Купить can require the both, but if it's some quantity of something, it's usually a genitive.

Originally Posted by Оля

Покупать + genitive is impossible, I think.
Покупать always requires an accusative.

Купить can require the both, but if it's some quantity of something, it's usually a genitive.

I agree, but I was looking for a general rule to explain this fact.

As it seems to me now, I am about to conclude the following:

Genitive Partitive is not normally used with Imperfective verbs. We should use accusative with them (for a direct object):

покупать молоко (not молока)
продавать мясо (not мяса)
есть конфеты (not конфет): Я ем конфеты. Он вчера ел конфеты.
пить воду (not воды): Дети пьют воду. Мы пили воду.

Genitive Partitive can be used with Pperfective verbs (for a direct object) to express "some" meaning:

купить молока (to buy some milk)
поесть конфет (to eat some sweets): На, поешь моих конфет! Он поел конфет, и у него теперь болит живот.
выпить воды (to drink some water): Я выпил воды, и мне стало лучше. Выпей воды, если тебе жарко.

I think it is the verbal aspect what is responsible for this phenomenon.

Originally Posted by Оля

Мы с младшей сестрой любим ходить по парку

I don't think this sentence is perfect. It would be fine either:
Мы с младшей сестрой любим ходить в парк.
or:
Мы с младшей сестрой любим гулять по парку.
or also:
Мы с младшей сестрой любим бродить по парку.

Olya, I would not be so categorical.

Despite "гулять по парку" being a bit more natural, I would say "ходить по парку" is not that bad

Why not to say "Мне вчера было скучно, и я весь день ходил по парку?" Is it not good Russian in your opinion?

Yeah, that sort of confused me, too. I mean, in English at least, you can say stroll or walk around the park with no real difference between the two. I don't understand why there would be any difference in Russian - do гулять and бродить imply a more leisurely approach to the walking, or something like that? Does ходить sound too "serious" or something like that? Any would be fine in English, but Russian seems to be a little more specific.

Спасибо за помощь
Джек

Originally Posted by JackBoni

Yeah, that sort of confused me, too. I mean, in English at least, you can say stroll or walk around the park with no real difference between the two. I don't understand why there would be any difference in Russian - do гулять and бродить imply a more leisurely approach to the walking, or something like that? Does ходить sound too "serious" or something like that? Any would be fine in English, but Russian seems to be a little more specific.

Спасибо за помощь
Джек

Ходить only implies movement on foot, without a definite direction (otherwise it would be идти).
Гулять means "to walk at leisure, for resting"

You cannot say for example "Пошли ходить!" - it is not understandable.
You should say "Пошли гулять!" - let's go for a walk.

However, if you indicate a place, I think, both will work:

Ходить по улице and Гулять по улице are possible (to walk along a street)
Yes, гулять implies leisure here, enjoy walking, walk slowly.
But ходить is OK too, it is less specific.

In the Russian slang, "гулять" also has other meanings:
"to have a party" (with alcohol drinking), or even "to have sex with somebody who is not your spouse".

Originally Posted by JackBoni

Yeah, that sort of confused me, too. I mean, in English at least, you can say stroll or walk around the park with no real difference between the two. I don't understand why there would be any difference in Russian - do гулять and бродить imply a more leisurely approach to the walking, or something like that? Does ходить sound too "serious" or something like that? Any would be fine in English, but Russian seems to be a little more specific.

Walk = гулять, ходить пешком
Ходить = ходить пешком (first of all), and for 'to walk in the park, etc' we have another verb - гулять which sounds much better here.

Yes, гулять implies leisure here, enjoy walking, walk slowly.
But ходить is OK too, it is less specific.

I wouldn't say that ходить in this sentence implies "enjoy walking, walk slowly". It just means the process, but it doesn't mean it is a pleasure or it is slowly at all. You can say "Он нервно ходил по улице". But "Он нервно гулял по улице" is weird.