Thread: Why I love (and hate) dating Russian men (article)

Originally Posted by Deborski

I could add a whole lot more here, because I disagree with what most of you are saying. But in the interest of maintaining peace on this forum, I am going to decline to comment more on this subject.

No offence, Deb. Those were nothing more then my opinions which can be changed easily with new information.

Originally Posted by it-ogo

No offence, Deb. Those were nothing more then my opinions which can be changed easily with new information.

No offense taken, It-ogo... I'm just tired of debating this subject. I don't feel like anyone really hears what I am saying, and so it's kind of like shouting in a hurricane. That doesn't mean I have given up or that I don't have an argument left. I do, and I am capable of expressing it very clearly. I just don't see the point in discussing it here in the language forum. There are plenty of political forums where I dish out my opinion regularly, where it doesn't matter to me if I offend anyone. However, I do care about offending the people here, because this is a kind of community. Controversial subjects like this one can quickly degrade, and well-reasoned opinions can give way to personal insults and attacks. I don't want that to happen, so I will bow out of the discussion now. This is just one of those subjects on which we will have to agree to disagree.

Lastly, I will just add that personally, I am very grateful for the efforts that the suffragists made in my country. Without their sacrifice, I would not have the right to vote, or drive a car, or own a house, or use birth control pills, or divorce my husband. I would not have been able to have an exciting career as a TV reporter, working in a male-dominated field. I was able to live out my dreams and I saw amazing things. Thanks to the feminists, I can look back on my life with a sense of pride and accomplishment. But not every woman gets this chance, because in some parts of society even here in our so-called "land of the free," women are still treated like cattle and they are told that careers are for men, and that they are supposed to stay home and become a broodmare. As long as little girls are raped and towns rally in support of the rapist, as long as men continue to openly degrade women, as long as women are considered inferior and objectified, as long as we are not being recognized as human beings, I will continue to be a feminist and fight the good fight. But part of wisdom, I believe, is knowing where and when to pick your battles. So I am choosing not to debate this topic here.

Originally Posted by Deborski

No offense taken, It-ogo... I'm just tired of debating this subject. I don't feel like anyone really hears what I am saying, and so it's kind of like shouting in a hurricane. That doesn't mean I have given up or that I don't have an argument left. I do, and I am capable of expressing it very clearly. I just don't see the point in discussing it here in the language forum. There are plenty of political forums where I dish out my opinion regularly, where it doesn't matter to me if I offend anyone. However, I do care about offending the people here, because this is a kind of community. Controversial subjects like this one can quickly degrade, and well-reasoned opinions can give way to personal insults and attacks. I don't want that to happen, so I will bow out of the discussion now. This is just one of those subjects on which we will have to agree to disagree.

Lastly, I will just add that personally, I am very grateful for the efforts that the suffragists made in my country. Without their sacrifice, I would not have the right to vote, or drive a car, or own a house, or use birth control pills, or divorce my husband. I would not have been able to have an exciting career as a TV reporter, working in a male-dominated field. I was able to live out my dreams and I saw amazing things. Thanks to the feminists, I can look back on my life with a sense of pride and accomplishment. But not every woman gets this chance, because in some parts of society even here in our so-called "land of the free," women are still treated like cattle and they are told that careers are for men, and that they are supposed to stay home and become a broodmare. As long as little girls are raped and towns rally in support of the rapist, as long as men continue to openly degrade women, as long as women are considered inferior and objectified, as long as we are not being recognized as human beings, I will continue to be a feminist and fight the good fight. But part of wisdom, I believe, is knowing where and when to pick your battles. So I am choosing not to debate this topic here.

Each of us are probably right in his/her own way. Нет формулы, по которой мы могли бы установить абсолютную истину.
I agree to the most of what you have been saying here. Those problems do exist and we (all the people) shouldn't turn away from them.
But some of the methods that are used to "solve" those problems look absolutely inappropriate and unacceptable for me. One cannot defeat evil with evil. The result will be just far more evil. So I agree with the most of what it-ogo said too.
Не собираюсь спорить, просто чтобы прояснить свою точку зрения.

Originally Posted by Deborski

There are plenty of political forums where I dish out my opinion regularly, where it doesn't matter to me if I offend anyone.

I see. I have some experience in such kind of forums. They are good training of our character and fighting qualities but damage our ability to listen and understand anything new.

As for me I finally came to the conclusion that educating myself and expanding my own horizon is much more worthy objective of discussion than trying to convince anyone in anything. Usually I contradict an oponent only to the point when I obtain the formulation of my position that satisfy myself. I enjoy formulations.