Thread: Occupy Wall Street around the world.... Your thoughts and feelings about it!

Originally Posted by Ramil

O'RLY? Revolution or talks about Revolution? [...] The protesters can stay there and protest for years... so? These evil bankers will simply ignore them.

Well, if I were a politician, I would say something like: "The extremist wing of the protesters is trying to ride the wave and highjack the attention by shouting their extremist slogans which do not even express the sentiment of the majority of the crowd. However, by insulting the rest of the public, the extremists provoke the public and the police to finally take some actions and contemplate to use that process to elevate the protest into a new level switch the peaceful protest into something more violent ultimately dreaming for a Revolution similarly to the recent Middle-East events."

But, since I'm not a politician, but just a simple-minded crocodile, I can only observe the change in tone of someone's posts... Getting too frustrated with the public which find comfort in their collective denial?

I predict that people will soon get tired and walk home. Their numbers will erode and so will the morale of those, more committed. These protests will cease by Christmas, I think.

Originally Posted by Ramil

I predict that people will soon get tired and walk home. Their numbers will erode and so will the morale of those, more committed. These protests will cease by Christmas, I think.

Ah, that's exactly what the evil bankers want. But no!111111111 People would stay and burn overnight fires in the snow-covered squares sitting around the fire solemnly silent dressed in shabby clothes as in a futuristic apocalyptic Hollywood movie. Of course, the countless love dramas would happen between some of the protesters and many would remember these days as the most romantic days of their lives...

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Well, if I were a politician, I would say something like: "The extremist wing of the protesters is trying to ride the wave and highjack the attention by shouting their extremist slogans which do not even express the sentiment of the majority of the crowd. However, by insulting the rest of the public, the extremists provoke the public and the police to finally take some actions and contemplate to use that process to elevate the protest into a new level switch the peaceful protest into something more violent ultimately dreaming for a Revolution similarly to the recent Middle-East events."

But, since I'm not a politician, but just a simple-minded crocodile, I can only observe the change in tone of someone's posts... Getting too frustrated with the public which find comfort in their collective denial?

Скромные крокодилы живут дольше чем гордые политические деятели! --> So, who's *really* simple-minded, at the end of the day? =)

Originally Posted by kidkboom

It's easy to say what you're against. What are you for? What changes are you talking about?

Originally Posted by kidkboom

Скромные крокодилы живут дольше чем гордые политические деятели! --> So, who's *really* simple-minded, at the end of the day? =)

Well, it's subjective. A galapagos tortoise in captivity lived 170 years. Do you want to change places with that turtle?

This whole thread (as well as the "Tea Party" movement) makes me think of this:




...and also this:



It's easy to say Жизнь была бы настолько лучше, если бы у нас (не) было... ("Life would be so much better, if we had/didn't have...")

But if you have absolutely no clue how to get from our current condition to the Bright New Tomorrow without making things worse (which, I think, is true of most OWS protesters and most Tea Party protesters), then you're not really doing anything useful.

Throbert, I couldn't respond to this in debate fashion.. I was far too busy being cracked up by your sense of humor

Awesome

I hear occupiers complaining about Wall Street bonuses but don't hear any complaining about this:

Solyndra Execs Reaped Bonuses Before Bankruptcy, Documents Show | Fox News

More hypocrisy?

Scott

Originally Posted by fortheether

I hear occupiers complaining about Wall Street bonuses but don't hear any complaining about this:

Solyndra Execs Reaped Bonuses Before Bankruptcy, Documents Show | Fox News

More hypocrisy?

Scott

Well, I guess there's some to be heard now

@nulle - I travelled by train all the way which is much more environmental than any other mode of transport. The only exception was the ferry trip across the Baltic Sea, and a few routes where I went by coach or marshrutka. This was deliberate. I really don't like flying and avoid flying as much as I can. But I have never said that I am not part of the hypocrisy - I am , only perhaps a bit less than some people. But I am not ready to go and live in a rural eco commune or something like that.

After returning to Sweden after a very long time away I am really sad to see that it has turned into a country like all the others in Western Europe. Privatization has ruined the previously excellent public transport. Stockholm is suffering from an accommodation shortage after the publically owned housing societies were privatized. Large corporations that are allowed to run schools for profit have sprung up. Swedish banks could not keep their fingers away from the new untapped markets in the East and did huge damage to themselves and national finances. Not to mention those people who were cheated into irresponsible lending. All the ideals that existed while I grew up are forgotten or considered outdated. No country is immune to the greed and globalisation it seems.

Banks and a very small group of people can do what they like and the rest have to serve them in varying degree of comfort or lack thereof.

I think the Occupy movement is right and I hope they can manage to formulate a manifesto and stick with it.

What do you think is the reason why Occupy does not exist in Russia yet? There are many injustices in Russia and a large part of the population have are poor and have very little prospects, while the money is rolling into a fairly narrow sector in some of the larger cities.

Would an Occupy movement be thrown out by the police or army, or would it be allowed? Do people sympathize? The RUssia Today channel gives quite sympathetic coverage to the protest, but what would it think if it took root in Russia too?

Originally Posted by Crocodile

But, since I'm not a politician, but just a simple-minded crocodile...

And if anyone believes you are simple minded... I have a great bridge to sell you in Brooklyn or maybe some swamp land in Florida would be better as there are more crocs there (or are there only gators there?).

There is something that people can do at a personal level, start an employee owned company. This allows you to make something like a firewall between you and the various predatory forces in the economy. Similar idea is a coop. but corporation gives you more flexibility. You can create company that has part of it's activity to provide services to members at reduced rates, by using buying power, bargaining power of bulk buying, &/or larger scale financing (lower rates). In other words, you can create company to do the things for your members that good government should be doing, but won't. If you have it together, you can start your own credit union or small bank, where legislation allows it. Think laterally.

OWS falls for the money? A Chill Descends On Occupy Wall Street By Fritz Tucker

Originally Posted by Seraph

There is something that people can do at a personal level, start an employee owned company. This allows you to make something like a firewall between you and the various predatory forces in the economy. Similar idea is a coop. but corporation gives you more flexibility. You can create company that has part of it's activity to provide services to members at reduced rates, by using buying power, bargaining power of bulk buying, &/or larger scale financing (lower rates). In other words, you can create company to do the things for your members that good government should be doing, but won't. If you have it together, you can start your own credit union or small bank, where legislation allows it. Think laterally.

To do so, they'd have to bring some money into it, but they don't have any, because they are not able/don't want/haven't gotten used at all to make it. Who are you telling this to?

I have been involved in start ups before. The cost for do-it your self is small. Who am I telling this to? (To whom am I telling this?) People with initiative and drive, that are not self defeating. Information is free. It's up to you.

Originally Posted by Seraph

OWS falls for the money? A Chill Descends On Occupy Wall Street By Fritz Tucker

That's funny.

Originally Posted by Seraph

I have been involved in start ups before. The cost for do-it your self is small. Who am I telling this to? (To whom am I telling this?) People with initiative and drive, that are not self defeating. Information is free. It's up to you.

They can use the $500,000 that they can't decide how to divvy up

http://countercurrents.org/tucker041111.htm




Scott

Originally Posted by fortheether

They can use the $500,000 that they can't decide how to divvy up

http://countercurrents.org/tucker041111.htm




Scott

Then they'll have to give it up. But is this what they really want? =)

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Then they'll have to give it up. But is this what they really want? =)

I have no clue what they want. If anyone does please share it.

Scott