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    Occupy Wall Street around the world.... Your thoughts and feelings about it!

    I really like this movement. Nice to see that people are waking up!
    Has it reached Russia? Elsewhere in Europe it seems to have caught on too. I read about similar protests in Italy, Germany in Sweden today.
    It's interesting how media are portraying the demonstrators as hooligans when they are really regular people who are participating for the first time.

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    Has it reached Russia?
    No, it hasn't. At least I haven't heard of something like that.

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    It'll be interesting to see how it catches on in Russia, or not.

    Not sure if it allowed to have a big spontaneous demonstration in Russia or not.... I think a permit is required in Sweden, but it's usually granted. I've read that it's not easy to get a permit to demonstrate in Russia unless it's a pro gov't demonstration.

    I guess Russians don't have quite the same experience as many in Western Europe either. Things are still improving in Russia, I think... but in Western Europe and America they are generally getting worse.

    In Sweden people are pissed off because the old welfare state that we used to have has been all but dismantled, old state companies are privatized but their service is worse and more expensive. Tax payers have to bail out the banks from the losses caused by their dare-devil and ill-advised speculation in the Baltic states et. al.

    I wonder what will come of this.... just more people messing around in Facebook groups or some real change....
    After the Arabian Spring, why not a Western Autumn.

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    It's interesting how media are portraying the demonstrators as hooligans when they are really regular people who are participating for the first time.
    Not really. Maybe just FOXNews.
    See Charlie Rose - Analysis of the Occupy Wall Street Protests or
    "Occupy Wall Street" protests go global - CBS News
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    Thanks for the interesting link! Yes, perhaps you are right!
    I really like Charlie Rose.... The CBS coverage was good too.
    And it's good that the Americans are inspiring the rest of the world about this.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/RussiaTo.../2/eXJqj4iXg8o

    It's kind of bizarre that everyone is disillusioned with capitalism but practically none would agree if they were called communists or anarchists. This new movement has no obvious ideology, no agenda and no plan to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Thanks for the interesting link! Yes, perhaps you are right!
    I really like Charlie Rose.... The CBS coverage was good too.
    And it's good that the Americans are inspiring the rest of the world about this.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/RussiaTo.../2/eXJqj4iXg8o
    I don't know anything about its impact in Europe, but here in the States, it's had a pretty huge effect, at least judging by what people are saying. I haven't watched the news, but hundreds of people on facebook have mentioned this, posted pictures of people with the cardboard signs, etc.

    A friend came out here from Long Island last weekend to visit, and when he returned to NYC, he posted: "Back in New York today. Something has definitely changed."

    End of last week, a friend of mine from Seattle posted information on "Occupy Seattle" with a number to text to, and he writes, "Got a phone?" It seems to be taking place all over.

    They have my complete support.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    It's kind of bizarre that everyone is disillusioned with capitalism but practically none would agree if they were called communists or anarchists. This new movement has no obvious ideology, no agenda and no plan to follow.
    Regardless of what they're calling it, "anarchy" is not far from what I'm seeing.. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

    Maybe it's just me, but the disillusionment with capitalism seems to be effervescing at a point in the capitalistic game where it's becoming obvious that the advantaged parties present to the disadvantaged parties a cat's game, a stalemate, an unwinnable situation. In other words, as soon as people start to realize The Banker is cheating, they lose interest in the whole Monopoly game.

    Then again.. how long was it like this, and well worse, in Greece? And, did anything change there? Ничего не знаю ... вот такие вот пироги
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidkboom View Post
    Then again.. how long was it like this, and well worse, in Greece? And, did anything change there? Ничего не знаю ... вот такие вот пироги
    Interesting comment from you ! With Greece, anything could happen... It's not long since they had a right wing military dictatorship there, it was a right pit, very sad. There are riots and marches every day.

    There are lots of people there who are genuine communists and with everything going on, it's possible that they will increase their numbers and strength. Not sure how strong anarchism is in Greece.

    But it's quite possible that something big of one kind or another happens there - the people are furious, everyone is finding that they lack cash and the state is suddenly dropping lots of services that people are used to.

    The EU requires member states to be democratic, and is not very favourable to anything other than countries that are conservative, christian democrats or social democrats. Anything else is considered extreme.
    But there is not a lot of love between Greece and the EU right now.
    It's a real soap opera. Anything could happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    After the Arabian Spring, why not a Western Autumn.
    Who's being a dictator in Western Europe? If anything ever happens, what will the "fighters" offer in return? If talk about Europe, such a suggestion is completely ridiculous and somewhat savage... Yet what can one expect from such lefty and socialist minds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric C. View Post
    Who's being a dictator in Western Europe?
    Nobody formally. That's the clever aspect of this. On paper it's a democracy. But things are being done that practically nobody agrees with. The wars, the bank bailouts, the dismantling of welfare institutions, selling out of state owned companies and much more.

    In the last 15-20 years, mainstream political parties have essentially all normalized to almost identical views, similar to how it is in the USA.

    In the meantime, corporations banks and globalists are getting richer and more powerful.

    Media which for the most part is owned by corporate interests are not writing about what's going on. The only outlet for peoples concerns and unease is the internet which is free and allows everyones voice be heard.

    Quoting Thomas Jefferson a famous American president and nation builder.

    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson 3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)
    How true! A shame nobody listened!

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    If their job skills are as vague as their message I'm not surprised they're unemployed..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sala_ View Post
    If their job skills are as vague as their message I'm not surprised they're unemployed..
    I think you may have OD:d on Fox News.....
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    Почему тема не в Политике?

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    Если есть политическая воля, власть будет сохранена. Более того, недовольство может быть использовано в нужном направлении.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Nobody formally. That's the clever aspect of this. On paper it's a democracy. But things are being done that practically nobody agrees with. The wars, the bank bailouts, the dismantling of welfare institutions, selling out of state owned companies and much more.

    In the last 15-20 years, mainstream political parties have essentially all normalized to almost identical views, similar to how it is in the USA.

    In the meantime, corporations banks and globalists are getting richer and more powerful.

    Media which for the most part is owned by corporate interests are not writing about what's going on. The only outlet for peoples concerns and unease is the internet which is free and allows everyones voice be heard.

    Quoting Thomas Jefferson a famous American president and nation builder.

    How true! A shame nobody listened!
    Can we please stop propagating the fake Jefferson quote about "PRIVATE BANKS"? | Ron Paul 2012 | Sound Money, Peace and Liberty

    After reading the quoted text, I right away started thinking it was somewhat shady and couldn't be true, so I did a little search.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sala_ View Post
    If their job skills are as vague as their message I'm not surprised they're unemployed..
    Ha-ha, true.

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    I did not think to check whether the quote was genuine since I have seen it in several places and am well aware of the American reverential view of these early statesmen. Would have thought it would be practically blasphemous to misquote him.

    But sure, I admit I assumed assumed he was quoted correctly.
    In fact, here are 5 legitimate pages that say the quote is genuine, including two legitimate quotation pages.

    Quote Details: Thomas Jefferson: I believe that banking... - The Quotations Page
    Thomas Jefferson Quote/Quotation
    Thomas Jefferson quotes
    Famous Quotations on Banking

    Could it be that the neo-cons of America have departed so far from the original vision of their "founding fathers" that they have to discredit their quotes to remain credible? Who knows! Maybe he didn't say it, or maybe it hit a bit too close to home for some people.

    Either way, apparently he also said the following in his private correspondence, collected in a book called "The Letters of Thomas Jefferson".

    No I do not have the book to check for myself that he really wrote this, but assuming the source is accurate, I think Jeffersons view on the dangers of bankers given a free reign, is quite clear.

    With this quote I leave the controversy of what a president of another country may or may not have said two centuries ago...
    “Everything predicted by the enemies of banks, in the beginning, is now coming to pass. We are to be ruined now by the deluge of bank paper. It is cruel that such revolutions in private fortunes should be at the mercy of avaricious adventurers, who, instead of employing their capital, if any they have, in manufactures, commerce, and other useful pursuits, make it an instrument to burden all the interchanges of property with their swindling profits, profits which are the price of no useful industry of theirs.”
    Thomas Jefferson, Letters of Thomas Jefferson
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric C. View Post
    Ha-ha, true.
    Let's see how much you would laugh if you were unemployed, up to your ears in debt. It has happened to much smarter people than yourself, so your arrogant laughter is both pretentious and pathetic.
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    Could it be that the neo-cons of America have departed so far from the original vision of their "founding fathers" that they have to discredit their quotes to remain credible? Who knows!
    See, some time has passed since then. Many things have changed and will never be the way they were before. Even assuming the quote is true, it says something about people having a right to issue money. Now tell me, in the nowaday world, how does government/state owned become people owned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Let's see how much you would laugh if you were unemployed, up to your ears in debt. It has happened to much smarter people than yourself, so your arrogant laughter is both pretentious and pathetic.
    Just admit, it's already happened to you, hasn't it?

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