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Ukrainian "freedom of speech". All hail democracy.

Ukraine considers jailing anyone who denies or justifies Russian aggression

https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/02/11...ian-aggression

Originally Posted by hddscan

Ukrainian "freedom of speech". All hail democracy.


https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/02/11...ian-aggression

You are sure balanced. What about laws in Russia which more or less are anti-freedom? They will jail anyone who advocates splitting up Russia or allowing republics to separate. That's just one example. I didn't read any posts from you about that - criticizing it. That's what we call hypocrisy.

Anyway, does anyone have any direct evidence other than a pro-Kremlin article? I believe it - I just thought there would be something in the Russian or Ukrainian language. Btw, there is also mainstream news about Poroshenko being prepared to declare martial law. I think ordinary Ukrainians are the victim in all this. Both Poroshenko's regime and the Eastern regime (Donetsk and Lugansk republics) only care about fighting and conflict - some 1000s of people can die - it doesn't matter as long as they achieve their ends. Putin doesn't care. Russia is going broke. Ukraine is already broke. I don't see how Russia funds Novorossiya as things get worse. They cannot sustain themselves on their own. Apparently, you cannot criticize the conflict publicly - I was told. But, I think that's another lie. I've complained to Ukrainian nationalists and they disagree with me but there doesn't seem to be a law against it. They just think anyone sympathizing with the rebels or Russian aggression are Putin stooges. But, it is not against the law.

If the Rada want to make the bill a law, it is not surprising. The EU is full of laws against freedom of speech. Ukrainians just don't realize (yet!) that the values and principles are only popular speech. Yet, one cannot forget that you don't have freedom of speech in Russia. It is the same mentality - you have freedom of speech if it is accepted and supported by the Kremlin. These factions might be in conflict with one another but they both have common ideals. They just get there, in different ways.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

You are sure balanced. What about laws in Russia which more or less are anti-freedom? They will jail anyone who advocates splitting up Russia or allowing republics to separate. That's just one example. I didn't read any posts from you about that - criticizing it. That's what we call hypocrisy.

Calls for splitting up a country is not the same as jailing for having an opinion. If the law passes then anybody who would not agree that Russia is aggressor could get jailed, please not that no proof needed to prove that Russia is aggressor, anybody could get jailed for just disagreeing with it.
If somebody says that those two things are the same, I would call it hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Anyway, does anyone have any direct evidence other than a pro-Kremlin article? I believe it - I just thought there would be something in the Russian or Ukrainian language.

There are Russian and Ukrainian articles, but I was looking for English translation for convenience of members of this forum.

Originally Posted by hddscan

Ukrainian "freedom of speech". All hail democracy.


https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/02/11...ian-aggression

That will be a very effective tool for controlling the media in Ukraine. Since it includes "Russian propaganda" then it's very open-ended too. If nobody in Ukraine can support the Russian narrative then the only interviews reported will be pro-Kiev. It will also give Ukraine the power to arrest journalists working inside their borders.
It totally is an aggression against freedom of the press in Ukraine.