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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    Войны не будет: Китай не поддержит. Так что все по домам!

    https://thediplomat.com/2022/02/why-...on-of-ukraine/
    It would seem that The Diplomat forgot to inform China.
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...ine-war-a76913

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60468264


    И кошки и все звери должны скрести на душе, когда идут на братоубийство" "
    Fratricide already happened in the USA. They called it the Civil War... 12 April 1861 to 9 April 1865.

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    Ужас!
    Соскучились по гробам
    History is replete with horror... All over the globe.

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    Много букв. Ниасилил. ))
    Зато покажу тут, как один австралийский казак рисует будущий «глобус» Украины. Оптимист, однако)).
    https://goldcoastreview.com/state-of...ukrainian-war/
    Bookmarked. I will be following him since our 1-sided media has banned everything else.
    I am an American, not a Russian, so I should not be involved in this blood feud. But our leaders think I should be.
    For the first time, since the Covid pandemic, we have lots of empty shelves in the stores, unbelievable inflation, shortages of groceries, and extremely expensive gas prices.
    I'm even mildly concerned that wearing my Sukhoi-27 T-shirt - made in Uzbekistan & printed in Moscow - makes me a moving target. I think only my money makes me immune.

    But since my government is pushing me into this Russian matter, I want to, at least, be able to hear all sides.
    Oleg of Novgorod, Vladimir the Great, the Byzantine Empire, & the trade route that passes through Kiev convince me that Ukraine is, historically, an intimate part of Russia. That's why I consider what's happening, a Civil War. But how politicians & military strategists view this is, of course, entirely different. I only hope they don't push this to the brink of a World War. - Not that I would mind fighting and dying but I would like for that to be for something worth dying for. And that would not be for money or power.
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    What about Mexico taking back its occupied lands?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Cession


    At one point, the whole Russia was under Kiev.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus'

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    I hope everyone had a happy Maslenitsa. We did, with pancakes and buckwheat pancakes from flour, eggs, and milk and with maple syrup.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    What about Mexico taking back its occupied lands?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Cession
    I'm happy I don't live in that region. But that could only happen if Mexico was a nuclear superpower.
    But I do see your point since it does have historical significance for the Mexican people.


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    At one point, the whole Russia was under Kiev.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus'
    No misunderstandings. I am only an observer. But this gives me a unique opportunity to see the story from both sides. So maybe Vladimir Putin is the reincarnation of Ivan III.
    When Ivan, in Muscovy, conquered the Republic of Novgorod, to the north, he cited suspicious associations with the West. Is that not exactly what Putin is saying about Ukraine?
    Thousands were killed then, And that included any Boyars that had not fled to the Polish-Lithuanian Kingdom.

    By the way, thanks for the history. But I am well versed on the origins of Kievan Rus. It began in the Baltics with a Varangian Chieftan, named Rurik. He was invited to rule in Novgorod and his statue can be seen, today, in Veliky Novgorod.
    The Veliky part caused some confusion, at first, but it is Veliky Ustyug that is home to Ded Moroz and Snegurochka... so many cities, histories, and names to keep track of...

    When Rurik died, his kinsman, Oleg of Novgorod, became the new leader. I'm also aware of his conquests enroute to Kiev. All this was followed by Olegs sojourn to Byzantium, his desire to marry into royalty there, the selection of orthodox Christianity as a National religion, the creation of the Old Church Slavonic alphabet, and the baptisms of Vladimir the Great.
    I am also versed in the history of the Mongol Invasion, in the thirteenth century, the beginnings of Tsarist Russia, the multi-national Boyars who became known as Cossaks and protected the Tsars, Lubyanka Square and the Insurance company building, the Oprichniki, the Cheka, Felix Dzerzhinsky, etc, etc.

    To be honest, I wish the conflict in Ukraine could have ended on a happier note, in 2014. I also wish Iraq had not been bombed. But who can figure military strategists and I wonder if this is not more about Sergei Shoigu than Vladimir Putin...
    Or even, considering the culture, Patriarch Kirill who also considers the West a threat...

    In any event, my conclusions resemble a video you posted... Чего блять!?
    As an American who loves Russian history, the language, and Russian culture, I will be watching this thread.
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    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6301032873001#sp=show-clips
    Теперь понятно почему у всушников пятки не сверкают. И тут ЦРУ наследило.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diogen_ View Post
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6301032873001#sp=show-clips
    Теперь понятно почему у всушников пятки не сверкают. И тут ЦРУ наследило.
    Им нéкуда отступать.

    НЕТ ВОЙНЕ!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    Им нéкуда отступать.

    НЕТ ВОЙНЕ!
    Ну я тоже против войны, но пока не вижу перспектив у мира! Донбас политикам никак не поделить, а без него мира не будет! зуб даю!!

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    Талси Габбард точно знает, почем фунт лиха для Украины. Наверняка читает Диогена перед сном))
    https://youtu.be/6ZvRb6Tbg8c

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    C давних пор не смотрю Fox channel и не собираюсь начинать. Другие источники пожалуйста.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UhOhXplode View Post
    That's why I consider what's happening, a Civil War. But how politicians & military strategists view this is, of course, entirely different..
    Однако это гражданская война, вызванная США, которые двадцать лет вмешивались в украинские дела.

    Кстати, я тоже американец.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDT View Post
    Однако это гражданская война, вызванная США, которые двадцать лет вмешивались в украинские дела.

    Кстати, я тоже американец.
    Опять Путин ни в чём не виноват.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDT View Post
    Однако это гражданская война, вызванная США, которые двадцать лет вмешивались в украинские дела.

    Кстати, я тоже американец.
    Twenty years and 5 billion dollars. After Secretary of State James Baker, in 1990, promised Gorbachev that NATO would not expand 1 inch to the East... Followed by 10 Eastward expansions in 1999 and 2004. This is the Cuban missile crisis in reverse.
    It is USA funding that keeps NATO alive and, as Clinton said, "@#$% the EU". So I am convinced that NATO agendas are born in the US.
    But every coin has 2 sides so let us not forget who backed the separatists in Lugansk and Donetsk. And who insisted that Crimea return to Russia. Vladimir Putin is probably one of the greatest and strongest leaders of all time but he is no god. Like all politicians, he has to consider approval ratings and monetary gains. So what I think we have now is 2 great bulls with locked horns.

    @Lampada - I also ignore FOX news. I consider it a State-run media outlet.

    CURRENT SITUATION
    The Governor of Mariupol has ordered the evacuation of the remaining residents. Lugansk is planning a referendum to join Russia. Also, the next peace talks will be in Istanbul, Turkey.
    Military analyst, Cedric Leighton, has offered 2 possible outcomes:
    1. That Ukraine will be split along a Lugansk-Donetsk-Mariupol line, creating a land-bridge to Crimea.
    2. That Ukraine will be split along the Dnieper river.

    Controlled by Poland-Lithuania, then Germany, then the Soviet Union, and now, the USA, I have to wonder if Ukraine has ever really stood on it's own.
    Лучше смерть, чем бесчестие! Тем временем: Вечно молодой, Вечно пьяный. - Смысловые Галлюцинации, Чартова дюжина 2015!
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    Quote Originally Posted by diogen_ View Post
    Талси Габбард точно знает, почем фунт лиха для Украины. Наверняка читает Диогена перед сном))
    https://youtu.be/6ZvRb6Tbg8c
    How nice: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2048584.html
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    I found this a very interesting read. A lot of it follows my own thinking except the "horseshoe" and the predicted operations in western Ukraine. But if it does end up in the forests and the Carpathian mountains, that could be as difficult as the war in Afghanistan and could take years...
    https://www.kp.ru/daily/27373/4566200/
    Лучше смерть, чем бесчестие! Тем временем: Вечно молодой, Вечно пьяный. - Смысловые Галлюцинации, Чартова дюжина 2015!
    Пожалуйста, исправьте мои ошибки. Спасибо.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    Surely, especially shadow banning of any descendant voice))

    https://youtu.be/EseSsywvkhs

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    Quote Originally Posted by UhOhXplode View Post
    I found this a very interesting read. A lot of it follows my own thinking except the "horseshoe" and the predicted operations in western Ukraine. But if it does end up in the forests and the Carpathian mountains, that could be as difficult as the war in Afghanistan and could take years...
    https://www.kp.ru/daily/27373/4566200/
    Да, ты правильно мыслишь. Слишком много диванной аналитики в статье. Не только западная, но и центральная украина не может быть ассимилирована без огромных потерь. Там в лесах и диких степях полно всякой бандеровской нечисти, националистических упырей и прочих соловьев- разбойников развелось. Короче говоря, чем дальше в лес, тем гуще партизаны!! Максимум куда можно продвинуться без последующего геморроя, это территория бывшей Донецко криворожской республики. Там живут русскоговорящие пролетарии, которым по барабану до всех новомодных украинских заморочек и прибауток!! Ну и плюс Одесса на побережье. Остальное пойдет под опеку США!!
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94...B8%D0%BA%D0%B0
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    Кроме горных походов по Кавказу мы также ездили в разные места Карпат, зимой кататься на лыжах, летом спускаться на ЛАСах по Черемошу. Ходили в походы по Крыму (Караби).
    Были во многих посёлках, встречали и общались с местными жителями. Мы говорили на русском, они на украинском. Повсеместно дружелюбные, приветливые люди. Даже иногда угощали нас своим свежим вином.
    Никогда и нигде не слыхали ни о каких бандеровцах или нацистах. Близкая моя подруга из Ивано-Франковска. Нет там этой не́чисти. Даже если допустить, что где-то и есть какие-нибудь националисты, то они очень хорошо прячутся.

    Молодцы на ББСи: развенчали эту фантазию.
    https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-60606430

    Свободная, демократичная Украина выбрала еврея своим Президентом. Ничего себе нацисты!

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    I am sitting on a small seat with coasters, in front of an Acer monitor. I like it because it is easy to kick out of my way. But it is still only a seat and it is not in the Kremlin, not in Moskva, and not in Ukraine. And, to be totally honest, my most epic concern is how this conflict has delayed the release of the sequel, for the video game, The Legend of Zelda, Breath of the Wild.
    But yes, I am very interested in what is happening overseas, since my whole family has a strong military background. Also because there has been way too much suffering and bloodshed in Ukraine already.

    But for once, I think the BBC may have a clue. There are neo-Nazi groups all over the USA but that does not mean that the USA is a Nazi State. Also, from what I have read, 4.5 million Ukrainians joined the Red Army to fight Nazi Germany.
    Putin must have a reason for this military operation. It could even support his approval ratings on 9 May 2022. It will be interesting to see how that plays out on Red Square.
    Putin claims Nazis but it looks more like a war against NATO and the EU-friendly government of Ukraine. But it may be even more than that.
    If the operation succeeds, it could create a land-bridge from the Donbass region to Crimea, to Odessa and, finally, to Pridnestrovia. That would dramatically increase access to the Black Sea.

    Well, what I do know is that Russia is much more than geopolitical struggles, logistics, and monetary gains. And I think that needs to be remembered, especially now.
    Лучше смерть, чем бесчестие! Тем временем: Вечно молодой, Вечно пьяный. - Смысловые Галлюцинации, Чартова дюжина 2015!
    Пожалуйста, исправьте мои ошибки. Спасибо.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    Кроме горных походов по Кавказу мы также ездили в разные места Карпат, зимой кататься на лыжах, летом спускаться на ЛАСах по Черемошу. Ходили в походы по Крыму (Караби).
    Были во многих посёлках, встречали и общались с местными жителями. Мы говорили на русском, они на украинском. Повсеместно дружелюбные, приветливые люди. Даже иногда угощали нас своим свежим вином.
    Никогда и нигде не слыхали ни о каких бандеровцах или нацистах. Близкая моя подруга из Ивано-Франковска. Нет там этой не́чисти. Даже если допустить, что где-то и есть какие-нибудь националисты, то они очень хорошо прячутся.

    Молодцы на ББСи: развенчали эту фантазию.
    https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-60606430

    Свободная, демократичная Украина выбрала еврея своим Президентом. Ничего себе нацисты!
    Лампада, вы бы еще вспомнили времена царя Гороха, когда все реки были молочными, берега кисельными, а жареные курицы сами на стол летели!! И в лесах тогда лешие, водяные и кикиморы, а вовсе не бандеровцы водились!! Но золотой век канул в лета!! Теперь шайтаны свободно разгуливают по Киеву, матери городов русских, и их никто даже не пытается останавливать!! И таких видео как ниже тьма тьмущая на ютьюбе, надо только поширше разинуть шоры!!
    https://youtu.be/IzXrtGlDsVI

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    Понятно. Значит наличие этой шпаны оправдывает разрушение, стирание с лица земли украинских городов и сёл, безразборное убийство гражданского населения.
    И да, весь этот ужас можно увидеть на ютюбе.

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