Thread: How bad off are Russians in reality?

Originally Posted by JasperMay

The only type of christian cooler than a catholic has got to be a russian-orthodox.

How about the Antiochians, or OCA? It is Russian tradition.

Originally Posted by 44 Canon

The Soviet Union was a very costly mistake. Don't make the same mistake again. Get up and work hard to restore your country. If you do, their WILL be rewards. If you take the easy way out ( in the short run ) and reinstall the Soviet Union, things will only get worse, if anything.
Russia has a hard road ahead, but it has to be gotten through if Russia is to survive, and their is a paradise at the end of it.
It has to hurt if it's going to heal.

Mr. 44 Canon, why worry so much?
You can calm down and relax a bit. Believe me, our politicians have absolutely no time to repeat OLD mistakes. They are too busy making NEW ones.

Originally Posted by Scorpio

You can calm down and relax a bit. Believe me, our politicians have absolutely no time to repeat OLD mistakes. They are too busy making NEW ones.

Good for you! Our politicians are more assiduous and they have time to do both...

Mr. 44 Canon, why worry so much?
You can calm down and relax a bit. Believe me, our politicians have absolutely no time to repeat OLD mistakes. They are too busy making NEW ones.

LOL. That's what I am afraid of.
I am more concerned about my own country screwing up then yours, so don't you worry. I'll be living in Russia before I need to calm down. LOL

Um, I'd suggest that your comments about "liberals" suggests that you do have a few issues with groups and systems. Just sayin'.

Liberals function as groups and systems. I am not a liberal, I have problems with the liberal crowd.
You would have made a better example by quoting me on calling myself a Libertarian. I have signed up as one, and indorse most Libertarian views, therefore, to make things simple and comprehensive towards the average Joe, I call myself one. In truth, I am not entirely a libertarian. Hard scientific evidence has pressed me to have problems with abortion. Most libertarians don't care. Their idea is "if you want one, then go and get one for all I care.
I also found errors in our constitution, but also found it to be an extremely well balanced political document. Most of the errors I found, were gaps that tyrants could squeeze in to.
I have more things that separate me from the base libertarian views, and I tend to get along better with Republicans then libertarians, but generally get along with most people.
I have met some liberals who were pretty nice people. Not many, but a few.
I have also met a couple Ku Klux Klan members who were not racist against black people, usually saying stuff like "I don't hate black people, I hate N****s (referring to thugs and low lives.
However, the vast majority of Klansmen are racist, just as the vast majority of liberals fit the description I gave, as to the very limits of my own experience, which it's self is quite vast.
Free thinking people themselves usually have allot in common. The things I stated about myself you will find in virtually everyone of my kind, and alike myself, they will not bond their minds and reasoning to any group, system etc.
My only given exception is my recent conversion to Catholicism. I did this because of thrall ( and dead serious ) research in to science surrounding afterlife, miracles, the bible, etc. and determined that their was no spiritual danger in excepting Catholicism, yet may be, and appears to be mankinds only chance for spiritual peace, and part of my thinking process comes from living all day, every day with the reality of the fact that we're going to die some day, therefore take it more seriously then you've probably ever herd of.
Even that is a hard made decision that took me 4 years in a living nightmare to make.

Originally Posted by 44 Canon

My only given exception is my recent conversion to Catholicism. I did this because of thrall ( and dead serious ) research in to science surrounding afterlife, miracles, the bible, etc. and determined that their was no spiritual danger in excepting Catholicism, yet may be, and appears to be mankinds only chance for spiritual peace, and part of my thinking process comes from living all day, every day with the reality of the fact that we're going to die some day, therefore take it more seriously then you've probably ever herd of.
Even that is a hard made decision that took me 4 years in a living nightmare to make.

Hi. I don't mean to be insensitive, but could you please rewrite that in English?
I will attempt my own translation, just to show willing:
my only given exception - the only exception I can give you (?)
'thrall research in to science surrounding...' - ????
'their was no spiritual danger' - there was no...
excepting Catholicism - accepting Catholicism
'yet may be, and appears to be..' - ???
'mankinds' - mankind's
'then you've probably ever herd of' - than you've probably ever heard of

I'm not joking , I really didn't understand the crucial points of that paragraph. However I will say that I was most interested in your Pascalian approach to the problem of God's existence - 'nothing to lose, eh?...'
Problem is you could have chosen any other religious belief on the basis of that criterion.

But...if you're a Libertarian, that doesn't mean you don't have group ties, that means your tied to the libertarian group. It's still a group. It's just a fringe political group, that's all.

Whatever, I give up.

No, the only group I am tied to is the Catholic church.
As I said, I call myself a libertarian for comprehensive reasons, not because I approximately am one, or am tied to the party. My political position in in terms of true characterization is independent ( one of a kind. I am more functional with the Republicans then I am with the Libertarians.
I call myself a libertarian because the vast majority of political ideals I stand for are shared by the Libertarian party.

Problem is you could have chosen any other religious belief on the basis of that criterion.

No I couldn't. If it were that simple, I would have jumped and joined the most appealing religion I could find years ago.
I often describe doing just that as a spiritual game of Russian Roulette. I studied the science surrounding afterlife and religion like a mad man. You would be very surprised at how deep I have gone, and how much I really know about the subject. Because of how serious I take it, I dwell in many areas that very few are willing to touch.
If you want a truly deep conversation about afterlife and the sciences surrounding it, then I am your man.
Forgive the spelling problem. I have the most severe known case of Dyslexia, which their is no treatment for. It's a problem I have worked on my entire life, and will spend the rest of my life working on.
I spell check all my posts. Not much more I can do.

Originally Posted by Линдзи

But...if you're a Libertarian, that doesn't mean you don't have group ties, that means your tied to the libertarian group. It's still a group. It's just a fringe political group, that's all.

Whatever, I give up.

Let's be clear about the terminology we are all using here, please. A Libertarian is a member of the Libertarian Party, founded sometime in the early 1970s. A libertarian is an anarchist, more often than not a social anarchist rather than an individualist, since about, oh, the 1840s. IMO the group who has survived for over a century is a little more deserving of the unambiguous label than the laissez-faire crazos who stole it 30 years ago. It'd be like if somebody had a totalitarian government butcalled themselves a Democratic Republic. I mean, you see how ridiculous and unlikely that is to occur, right.

Oh, by the way, Sean Hannity fucking sucks. It must be proof that God hates him that he could be the identical twin of homosexual liberal actor Nathan Lane.

Originally Posted by 44 Canon

Now, just to send a little bit of love Fox's way, what with my recent Sean Hannity-bashing, I'd like to admit publicly: I like Bill O'Reilly.

I recently converted to Catholicism, after 4 1/2 years in hell, and desperation for scientific facts about afterlife.
If you're a media puppet, or not a honest and thural researcher of this subject, you'll probably think them to be fanatical ( and some are ) but in deeper research, that is only 1 of 3 religions I've been able to find that has no flaws, the only Christian one.

Yeah, it sure isn't a flaw that they tell millions of people in AIDS-ravaged third world countries not to use condoms because they'll burn in Hell, or that the condoms already have holes in them so there's no point in wearing them. I guess it was God's plan that they wash their vaginas out in the road with Clorox instead.

I can't stand liberals. Their always rude and pissey, and do not use sense, but rather base their entire reasoning on emotional drive, and lie and cheat to get their way.

I can understand why, being fed up with this kind of person, you joined an major organized religion.

Their also the ones who fight to keep the conservative voice from being herd and running smearing campaigns.

They aren't fighting very hard, apparently. Every fucking news station I turn it to has some irate prick whining about the "liberal elite" on his own show.

Let me make a brief list off the top of my noggin:
Pat Buchanan - Crossfire head for over 20 years
William F Buckley Jr - Has own show on PBS (that's right, he somehow has no problem working on the tax dollar to propagate conservative views)
The entire Fox News cast
The Wall Street Journal editorial page - Bastion of neoconservative polemics
Robert Novak
Tucker Carlson
Scarborough Country
Here's a quick list of some national radio shows
Rush Limbaugh
Sean Hannity
Bill O'Reilly

You know, I could keep going for about 3 pages here. These are not people "struggling to have their voices heard." They get paid millions of dollars to preach to the entire world their views. Get a fucking clue.

They represent the sort of people who brought down the Roman Empire and Soviet Union. Their a crowd who is a heavy weight on civilization, offering little, usually nothing at all in return.

Uh, ok. So it wasn't Constantine's conversion, the growing respect for human rights that came along with the early Christian reformation being in stark contrast to the brutality necessary to suppress and enslave millions of indigenous peoples, an overextended military complex that couldn't support itself in the long run, allowing the emperor to take practically half of the entire state budget, poorly organized industry and building, corrupt politicians and businessmen, the natural instinct for liberation within the foreign colonies, or the gluttonous self-interest of the ruling class: it was some ancient incarnation of the Green Party. I sure am glad you're so obsessed with "thural" research and could come to such a well-thought conclusion.

...here in the US, their are allot of places wear everyone and their grandma is toting a gun around

You mean like the opening credits to the Beverly Hillbillies? Wasn't Granny holding a shotgun in the jalopy?

Now, as for the Soviet Union VS Russia, I know that their are some Russians who seek to rebuild the Soviet Union. For those of you who do, keep this in mind.
The Soviet Union is no longer their. They were not risen against, defeated in war or voted out. The Soviet Union collapsed. Like anything, political systems that collapse, collapse because they don't work.
The Soviet Union was a very costly mistake. Don't make the same mistake again. Get up and work hard to restore your country. If you do, their WILL be rewards. If you take the easy way out ( in the short run ) and reinstall the Soviet Union, things will only get worse, if anything.
Russia has a hard road ahead, but it has to be gotten through if Russia is to survive, and their is a paradise at the end of it.
It has to hurt if it's going to heal.

You know, it's funny sort of, but if you change a few words and you basically have one of Lenin's speeches during the Civil War.

Mike, may I bear your children?

Lindzi babes you're back, how you been? Where for that matter? Let's hope Phallic Cannon keeps posting eh, we'll all have a great time!

I think dear cousin Lindzi was busy moving to Texas to become an English teacher.

@Lindzi: I thought you were supposed to be Mike's misanthropic dark-lord son. And Tu-160's bride.

OK Mike, This will be a long post, but I suggest on your behalf that you read and digest every word.

IMO the group who has survived for over a century is a little more deserving of the unambiguous label than the laissez-faire crazos who stole it 30 years ago. It'd be like if somebody had a totalitarian government butcalled themselves a Democratic Republic. I mean, you see how ridiculous and unlikely that is to occur, right.

The Libertarian party got it's name do to a political shift. Between the 60s and 90s, the republican party slowly started shifting to democratic ideals, while the democratic party started shifting extreme democrat and as of late, socialist ideals.
During this shift, the republicans who refused to give up republacy, stretched apart, therefore, having to eventually become their own party, thus, took up the title of Libertarian party. Anarchists have long existed in the Republican/Libertarian party, just as Communists have long existed in the liberal crowd.
The Libertarian party it's self has as many different levels and types as the liberal and democratic groups do.
I myself share similar views to Jessie Ventura and Charlie Condon, who themselves may be classified more as independents, but generally share mostly libertarian ideals.
During the early part of the 1800s, their was also a shift from republacy in to a UNION, which the republicans would not be part of. Unfortunately, in states that indorsed Republacy, their was allot of variable views shifting around ( much like in todays society ) about different political ideals, which included weather or not slavery should be ended by force, with industrial slavery although loosing popularity fast, being a large influence against it happening. This problem of course, brought about the American Civil War and the very last days of the United States as a republic.

They aren't fighting very hard, apparently. Every @@@@ news station I turn it to has some irate prick whining about the "liberal elite" on his own show.

First off, I have seen Righties get nailed to the wall by lefties on Fox News, so I am sure that all the rumors about their channel being rigged are all make believe.
Fox News, as you know, often just leaves the camera their during political debates and lets you see it live as it's happening, for what it is. This is one of the reasons why they can't do standard broadcasting. If someone starts screaming prophanity ( which I've seen happen ), you will hear it, if someone gets their head blown off, you'll see it.
Fox News is generally a neutral network, where they have liberals in their all the time in their debates but TBH, I have a hard time picturing someone NOT turning conservative with all the things that they witness, first hand.
It is true that Republicans and libertarians dominate Radio talk shows. If you want to know why, then just try listening to a liberal one. Many people don't like Rush Limbaugh, but think about how often liberals call him up and defeat him with facts and hard evidence?
Every time you turn your head, liberal talk shows are getting nailed hard, and that's probably why very few exist.
The Main stream media however ( ABC, NBC, CBS etc. is dominated by the liberal party. The liberal party also structures on emotional appearances, so they get allot of sheep following.

You know, it's funny sort of, but if you change a few words and you basically have one of Lenin's speeches during the Civil War.

Yeah, lets see who you sound like:

Yeah, it sure isn't a flaw that they tell millions of people in AIDS-ravaged third world countries not to use condoms because they'll burn in Hell, or that the condoms already have holes in them so there's no point in wearing them. I guess it was God's plan that they wash their vaginas out in the road with Clorox instead.

BEHIND every murder stood the same power which is responsible for this murder; behind these harmless insignificant fellow-countrymen who were instigated and incited to crime stands the hate-filled power of our Jewish foe, a foe to whom we had done no harm, but who none the less sought to subjugate our German people and make of it its slave - the foe who is responsible for all the misfortune that fell upon us in 1918, for all the misfortune which plagued Germany in the years that followed.
( ADAULPH HITLER. SPEECH OF FEBRUARY 12, 1936

Their is a modern campaign which drives people to wage conflict against peaceful religions ( Christianity being the utmost ) while protecting hostile ones ( Islamic Radicals.
In truth, this is not about what people have done in the name of religion in the past, but hatred towards them in the present, do to the barriers they hold up, which get in the way of many sinister agendas.
These sorts of people are responsible for the very worst of all conflicts.
People who do evil in the name of religion are no worse then those who do evil in the name of opposing religion. Both crowds are one the same.
If you get rid of all world religion, you will only have chaos. Religion is used as an excuse to do wrong only because it's their. If it's not their, just as much wrong will still be done in the name of something else, while the good things religions do will no longer be their.

Now, on what you actually said in that line, Their are weird people out their in every religion.
However, their is some truth in this. Sex was created for procreation, nor recreation. If it was meant for anything more, then sex would not be our method of procreation, or we would have a natural means of doing so without the risk of pregnancy, which we absolutely do not. The risk of pregnancy in withdrawal and timing is as present as is with condoms, and condoms really do fail quite often, and I have 2 nieces to show for it.
Sex is well abused today and to be honest, I don't have any sympathy for those who contract deadly diseases through recreational sex. If you're willing to play the game, then be ready to suffer the natural consequences. In addition, this certainly does not help on a spiritual note either.

I can understand why, being fed up with this kind of person, you joined an major organized religion.

My political views have very little direct involvement in my reason for getting involved with Christianity beyond the sense that political I stand for achieving good VS evil.

My reason for getting in to the Catholic Church is more severe and sophisticated then you can comprehend ( if you could, then you would have never said what you said. Enough that it's a decision that took me 4 years to make.
I considered Atheism for a large portion of the time. I also did so under the severity that if I could PROVE that their was no afterlife, I would immediately put a .44 Magnum bullet in my brain, and under the concept of Atheism, their is absolutely nothing wrong with doing that. Under the laws of Atheism, their IS NO Wright nor wrong, only what works and what doesn't.
Without afterlife, their is no reason to love or do good. It will all cease to exist in very short time, so the things you do to make people happy, are only good for the moment. The man who rapes and murders small children is guilty of no crime, since their is no such thing as crime, and his punishment is limited to what this world can do to him.
The guy about a year ago who kidnapped a little girl and was killed, never was punished under Atheist laws. His death was quick with little pain.
Your children, mother, father, loved ones etc. are all as disposable as the food in your fridge, as well as you yourself.
Fortunately, it goes much deeper then that.
Physics ( including energy ) is built up of Atoms, molecules and all their parts.
They in one theory are the minimum entity of physics. In another theory, their are even smaller, and smaller entities amongst them, that keep getting smaller and smaller.
Either way, for such to exist, their HAS to be distance between them. Nothing can move without distance. If their were no distance between them, then physics would all be a solid entity. So we know th at no matter HOW small physics gets, their has to be NON-PHYSICAL existence for physics to exist within.
Secondly, for anything to move, their must be power. If you set a cup on a table, their is distance for it to move, but it won't unless some sort of power, weather your hand, wind or gravitational or magnetic pull moves it.
So, our minimum entities that we know of do move,a nd they have their own mechanics as to how they do, but those mechanics are not capable of working without non-physical power.
Therefore, it is fact that we do have an alternative existence, which empowers physics ( including energy it's self.
Our bodies and brains are unable to function without this power generating them, and theoretically, as we live, both body and brain patterns are developed within it, generating our spirits. In other words, you could say that when we are born, our spirits are like blank CDs and that we are programmed throughout life.
This is just a base idea. Their is far more to just that much of it, and their are plenty of things that can be discovered about afterlife and the likeliness of it through this. As I said, I have studied this arena desperately for 4 years and my conversion to Catholicism did not come lightly, and even today, I am really very separate from the average Catholic, and keep my distance from about 80% of the community in order to keep from being driven nuts by the emotional prophiganda that soars between them.

Uh, ok. So it wasn't Constantine's conversion, the growing respect for human rights that came along with the early Christian reformation being in stark contrast to the brutality necessary to suppress and enslave millions of indigenous peoples, an overextended military complex that couldn't support itself in the long run, allowing the emperor to take practically half of the entire state budget, poorly organized industry and building, corrupt politicians and businessmen, the natural instinct for liberation within the foreign colonies, or the gluttonous self-interest of the ruling class: it was some ancient incarnation of the Green Party. I sure am glad you're so obsessed with "thural" research and could come to such a well-thought conclusion.

The very core of most of what you mentioned, is caused by these sort of people. In addition to some of the deeper details I have studied, I have also read quite a number of statements and interviews in the past with people who's lives revolve around studying this civilization, in addition to some interviews in Documentaries where they clearly compared the fall of the Roman Empire to the fall of the Soviet Union, and in about 70% of the cases, described the core part of the civilization as having most of the same characteristics as todays liberal party.
In short, laziness and cowardness brings countries down. I have never met a single liberal who proved to be anything but a coward, and the vast majority are not willing to go out and do a hard days work.

You mean like the opening credits to the Beverly Hillbillies? Wasn't Granny holding a shotgun in the jalopy?

No, try a 3rd of the country ( or more ).
Gun control does not and never did distinctly work to better the life of civilians. Statistics show both good and bad results for aftermaths of increasing and decreasing gun laws, but in virtually every case, the change in statistics is attributed to other things going on in society. In short, their is nothing to show that increased or decreased gun laws affects violent crime rates. It does however, affect outcomes as shown by statistics.
In areas where people are allowed to carry guns, their are more failed mug and violent crime attempts, usually resulting in no violence at all,since most people who carry guns won't shoot unless they have to, and for most criminals, staring down the barrel of a gun is more then enough to divert them from crime.
The important thing that gun rights do is keep governments form becoming tyrants. Giving up your gun rights is putting trust in your government to not become a tyrant, and saying that government office doesn't attract deceptive tyrants is like saying that strip clubs don't attract perverts.
Nazi Germany is a prime example of how important the right to keep and bare arms is.
BTW. The Nazi party practiced Socialism, which is the popular political practice of the liberal crowd.

Originally Posted by 44 Canon

Sex was created for procreation, nor recreation. If it was meant for anything more, then sex would not be our method of procreation, or we would have a natural means of doing so without the risk of pregnancy, which we absolutely do not.

oh dear, son, how little you know

The risk of pregnancy in withdrawal and timing is as present as is with condoms, and condoms really do fail quite often, and I have 2 nieces to show for it.

Physics ( including energy ) is built up of Atoms, molecules and all their parts.
They in one theory are the minimum entity of physics. In another theory, their are even smaller, and smaller entities amongst them, that keep getting smaller and smaller.
Either way, for such to exist, their HAS to be distance between them. Nothing can move without distance. If their were no distance between them, then physics would all be a solid entity. So we know th at no matter HOW small physics gets, their has to be NON-PHYSICAL existence for physics to exist within.

Blimey! Someone get on the blower to Stephen Hawking sharpish! How could we have been so stupid as to overlook this marvellous .. umm..

Secondly, for anything to move, their must be power. If you set a cup on a table, their is distance for it to move, but it won't unless some sort of power, weather your hand, wind or gravitational or magnetic pull moves it.
So, our minimum entities that we know of do move,a nd they have their own mechanics as to how they do, but those mechanics are not capable of working without non-physical power.
Therefore, it is fact that we do have an alternative existence, which empowers physics ( including energy it's self.
Our bodies and brains are unable to function without this power generating them, and theoretically, as we live, both body and brain patterns are developed within it, generating our spirits. In other words, you could say that when we are born, our spirits are like blank CDs and that we are programmed throughout life.
This is just a base idea.

Maybe. Or maybe it's just utter drivel.

Their is far more to just that much of it, and their are plenty of things that can be discovered about afterlife and the likeliness of it through this. As I said, I have studied this arena desperately

Not as desperately as I have studied the arena of your posts, believe me.

most people who carry guns won't shoot unless they have to

that's heartening! Most, oh well, most isn't bad is it?

BTW. The Nazi party practiced Socialism, which is the popular political practice of the liberal crowd.

It was called 'National Socialism' and bore no relation to the modern democratic socialism practised nowadays in certain European countries.

That's all you could say?
All you did is call me stupid.

We've had some wierdos on this forum Canon, but you take the cake by a country mile.

Seek help, and fast.

Originally Posted by 44 Canon

The man who rapes and murders small children is guilty of no crime, since their is no such thing as crime, and his punishment is limited to what this world can do to him.
The guy about a year ago who kidnapped a little girl and was killed, never was punished under Atheist laws. His death was quick with little pain.

I think that using this argument to justify the afterlife is opposite to main Christian principles such as love your enemy, pray for your enemies to be forgiven. IMHO it has much to do with plain sense of vengeance.

An Atheist is not a Christian.

We've had some wierdos on this forum Canon, but you take the cake by a country mile.

Then perhapse you need to get out more.

Seek help, and fast.

I'me perfictley fine thanks. Psycholigy is one of my fields BTW, and I happen to know quite a few professional psycholigests who seam to think I'me fine, and exeptionally headstraight.

Actually, lets take a look at what a couple had to say:

*44 Cannon
This is a hard one to describe, definitely an uncommon character. Very intense person, full of surprises in his depth of knowlege in those areas he's found interest in. Don't underestimate this one.

*44 Canon
Straight shooter who is loving and sincere. He has a mind that works differently than mine. I feel like a pretzel after a deep discussion. Can make anything and make anything work.

lol

OK, you convinced me.

Thilly!