Thread: G8 Summit and Russia's Prez

I am neither in the AF or Russian The Air Force is simply our customer

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

Originally Posted by Ramil

And who gave you a right to stop anything that happens in sovereign country? Who gave you the right to say what is good for them and what is evil? Who gave you the right to ram your lifestyle down into throats of others? What makes you think that American way is the best?
Mind your own business. Every nation has a right to live as they want.
Wars are about resources and money, not ideology.

And what gave YOU the right to ram communism down the throats of 14 other nations and bring them into the Soviet Union? Mind your own business.

Yeah Ramil, wtf? Bad Ramil, baaaaad Ramil.

[quote=kalinka_vinnie][quote="Бармалей":31kc8idw]
You're in the USAF?[/quote]
No, but we have a multi-million dollar contract with the Air Force

[url="http://heasarc.nasa.gov/docs/heasarc/missions/dmsp.html"]http://heasarc.nasa.gov/docs/heasarc/missions/dmsp.html[/url]

All built be me! (and thousands of other people)

And no, I am not Russian [/quote:31kc8idw]
Oh, ok. So you're a hippy who has penetrated our government's contracting organs, eh? At least now, I know that I can get Rtyem to sell me nuclear reactors (what ever happened to him anyway?) and that I can procure satellites through you. Mwahahaha.
Disclaimer (for the *cough* admins): All of the above was said in a JOKING manner. Please do not assume that I a)am truly impugning KV's integrity or b) seriously am trying to buy that stuff.

What are you smoking, Barm? I never posted that!

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

What are you smoking, Barm? I never posted that!

Jigga what!??!

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

I am neither in the AF or Russian The Air Force is simply our customer

Sell them rusty bolts

Originally Posted by adoc

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

Originally Posted by Ramil

And who gave you a right to stop anything that happens in sovereign country? Who gave you the right to say what is good for them and what is evil? Who gave you the right to ram your lifestyle down into throats of others? What makes you think that American way is the best?
Mind your own business. Every nation has a right to live as they want.
Wars are about resources and money, not ideology.

And what gave YOU the right to ram communism down the throats of 14 other nations and bring them into the Soviet Union? Mind your own business.

Yeah Ramil, wtf? Bad Ramil, baaaaad Ramil.

I didn't do that, believe me. If I were the one who did that the whole world would have been communistic by now. Say amen to that I don't ram anything down the throat. I ram it directly in a brain.

Originally Posted by Ramil

Wars are about resources and money, not ideology.

Clearly you missed the point of WW2 then, which was to defeat fascism--an ideology. It had nothing to do with money and resources.

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

Originally Posted by Ramil

Wars are about resources and money, not ideology.

Clearly you missed the point of WW2 then, which was to defeat fascism--an ideology. It had nothing to do with money and resources.

Did you for get about that whole "Lebensraum" thing?

Clearly you missed the point of WW2 then, which was to defeat fascism--an ideology.

An ideology cannot be defeated. It does not rely on military strength, missiles, tanks, rifles, resources, plants, cities... It does on people's brains. And in order to defeat an ideology you must destroy the planet itself. To make sure noone is able to bear or express dangerous ideas.

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

Originally Posted by Ramil

Wars are about resources and money, not ideology.

Clearly you missed the point of WW2 then, which was to defeat fascism--an ideology. It had nothing to do with money and resources.

Germany's economy after the WWI was utterly destroyed. Unemployment, inflation were disastorous. Hitler made an "economic miracle" but to finance all that he desperately needed resourses. Firstly he annexes Austria, then Czhechoslovakia. He rushes in Romania with its oil deposits, his army group "South" in Russian campaign had Caucasus as its target also because of oil.
And persecution of Jews in Germany had its aim among other things to nationalize their property to fund military orders placed in industry thus creating jobs.
War is a very expensive thing and you need a lot of money when time comes to feeding soldiers. Where do you suppose he intended to get all this from?

Ideology is an instrument of policy, not the other way around.

So? That was Hitler's problem, not ours. OUR purpose in WW2 (which is what I was talking about) was to defeat the IDEOLOGY of fascism and stop it from spreading around the globe.

Originally Posted by Бармалей

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

Originally Posted by Ramil

Wars are about resources and money, not ideology.

Clearly you missed the point of WW2 then, which was to defeat fascism--an ideology. It had nothing to do with money and resources.

Did you for get about that whole "Lebensraum" thing?

Lebensraum was Hitler's business. I meant our business in WW2 had nothing to do with money and what not. It was only to defeat Hitler and his fascist empire.

I must remind that the USSR supported German Fascism until Germans invaded on the Soviet Union itself.

Originally Posted by mishau_

I must remind that the USSR supported German Fascism until Germans invaded on the Soviet Union itself.

I know that. So? I wasn't talking about the USSR, just saying that the US entered the war (European front) to try to put an end to fascism.

the US entered the war (European front) to try to put an end to fascism.

The end of fascism was inevitable. They entered the war to not allow the USSR to be the first to capture Berlin and gain full control of Europe.

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

So? That was Hitler's problem, not ours. OUR purpose in WW2 (which is what I was talking about) was to defeat the IDEOLOGY of fascism and stop it from spreading around the globe.

You forget that the jews have a very strong lobby in your country. Besides, war created many jobs, the gold reserve of France was moved to Fort Knox entirely and had never been returned after the war. United States became a major power after the WW2 because of the fact that Europe was in ruins and, of course, the bomb, which was invented mostly by European physics who fled from Hitler.
States had a boosted economy and gained fantastic profits when Europe began rebuilding.

And remember - USA supported Hitler in 1930s.

Originally Posted by Ramil

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

So? That was Hitler's problem, not ours. OUR purpose in WW2 (which is what I was talking about) was to defeat the IDEOLOGY of fascism and stop it from spreading around the globe.

You forget that the jews have a very strong lobby in your country. Besides, war created many jobs, the gold reserve of France was moved to Fort Knox entirely and had never been returned after the war. United States became a major power after the WW2 because of the fact that Europe was in ruins and, of course, the bomb, which was invented mostly by European physics who fled from Hitler.
States had a boosted economy and gained fantastic profits when Europe began rebuilding.

And remember - USA supported Hitler in 1930s.

The USSR supported Hitler until his invasion, and if he hadn't invaded, you may have kept your non-agression pact with him. And yes, war does create many jobs, but I was saying the PURPOSE of going to war was to defeat Hitler, we didn't enter with the intent of becoming an economic power in the back of our minds.

Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

The end of fascism was inevitable. They entered the war to not allow the USSR to be the first to capture Berlin and gain full control of Europe.

Oh please, don't start this crap. We didn't even know we'd be racing the Soviets to Berlin when we entered the war. And the end of fascism was not inevitible. Hitler had conquered nearly all of Europe cuz Chamberlain didn't have the guts to stand up to him so he appeased him, and none of the other European powers (with the exception of Britain) seemed capable of defeating him. If they were capable, they wouldn't have all been conquered.

And the end of fascism was not inevitible.

Em? You mean Stalin suddenly becomes a very friend of Hitler and recalls all his forces back home leaving Hitler all alone?

That's something new to the world history...

We didn't even know we'd be racing the Soviets to Berlin when we entered the war.

you didn't.