Thread: G8 Summit and Russia's Prez

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

USA didn't enter the war to stop Russia, USA didn't land in Europe to stop Russia

Thanks kalinka. Someone finally gets this point across.

They did, they did. You're acting like little kids, believeing in kindness and unselfishness. Ха!

How did we go from talking about Putin to arguing aver WW2?
Man I should've never started this thread!

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

How did we go from talking about Putin to arguing aver WW2?
Man I should've never started this thread!

I'll jerk the car back on the road!
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/n ... ess29.html
Read and discuss.

Ummm....I don't have much to say about that one! A nice change from politics though

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

Ummm....I don't have much to say about that one! A nice change from politics though

Oh, no! Please, stay a little longer on politic and read this outstanding article through: The New American Cold War.

I'm sure you'll love it.

Uhhh....well I'd have to say that the Cold War, to a certain extent, is sort of still going on, but I wouldn't call it the most serious threat to US security.

And sorry...I really don't have the patience to read through 9 whole pages. (I read only the first)

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

Uhhh....well I'd have to say that the Cold War, to a certain extent, is sort of still going on, but I wouldn't call it the most serious threat to US security.

And sorry...I don't have the patience to read through 9 whole pages right now

You're right! US is still carrying on the Cold War against Russia, and still trying to undermine it's security. And this article is great for those who would like to understand motives of US - Russia relationships in the last 20 years. I hope you'll have red it sometimes.

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

Uhhh....well I'd have to say that the Cold War, to a certain extent, is sort of still going on, but I wouldn't call it the most serious threat to US security.

And sorry...I really don't have the patience to read through 9 whole pages. (I read only the first)

I read only the last
There are people in Russia who would very much like to see Russia as a current or future superpower a la USSR. There are people in the US who would wish the world to return to simpler times of a struggle between two great but seemingly equal powers. Let them. The harder they try, the sooner they'll see the errors of their ways.

Originally Posted by Guin

And this article is great for those who would like to understand motives of US - Russia relationships in the last 20 years. I hope you'll have red it sometimes.

I probably will I just had a lot of reading at school today and wasn't up for it. Maybe tomorrow...when it's Saturday

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

Originally Posted by Guin

You're right! US is still carrying on the Cold War against Russia, and still trying to undermine it's security. And this article is great for those who would like to understand motives of US - Russia relationships in the last 20 years. I hope you'll have red it sometimes.

I probably will I just had a lot of reading at school today and wasn't up for it. Maybe tomorrow...when it's Saturday

reading can never hurt you, as long as you don't believe everything you read of course

Originally Posted by laxxy

reading can never hurt you, as long as you don't believe everything you read of course

Yes

Originally Posted by Ramil

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Originally Posted by Ramil

"Land lease" which you're referring to was not a gratuitous help. USSR had to pay for every can of stew, airplane or tank it received.

Errr... now, really? References please, because the books I've read say something different.

Долгосрочная задолженность СССР (по основному долгу) составляла 1,1 млрд дол.: 443 млн дол. приходилось по кредитам Экспортно-импортного банка, направленным на поддержание экспорта США, а остальная сумма - по соглашению 1972 г. между США и СССР по ЛЕНД-ЛИЗУ. В соответствии с этим договором, СССР осуществил три безоговорочных платежа на сумму 48 млн дол. Погашение оставшихся обязательств по ленд-лизу в сумме 674 млн дол. было увязано с предоставлением США режима наибольшего благоприятствования по экспорту из СССР в соответствии с Торговым соглашением 1972 г. между США и СССР, к-рое до 1982 г. в силу не вступило.
http://www.cofe.ru/finance/russian/5/296.htm

Долг оплачен не полностью - но это долг. Он остаётся в силе и США требуют его возврата. Это - не безвоздмездная помощь. Кстати, в русском языке после этого появилось устойчивое выражение "помощь по-американски".

так. Напомню что ты сам написал:

Originally Posted by Ramil

"USSR had to pay for every can of stew, airplane or tank it received."

и источники говорят:

Нет, за военные поставки платить было не нужно, это было подарком безвозмездным, но за гражданские поставки хотя бы, граждане, отдайте, как положено по закону.

"[After the war and Roosevelt's death] Truman demanded that the Soviets repay the U.S. for many non-military supplies, including cargo ships, worth more than $2.5 billion."

может быть, может быть, ты не видишь противоречие, но я вижу его и оно не красивое!!!

так, что не надо морочить нам голову, и признайся что ты перепутал! И я буду признаться, что вики надо исправлять Получается, что мы все что-то учили!

вывод:
ленд-лиза помогла СССР (хотя, они не хотели этого признать из-за понятные идеологические причины) и СССР приходилось выплачивать только 10% помощи ($1.1 млрд из всего $11), и это 30 лет спустя (и без процентов). Нет, США не помогли(-о?) СССР, они были злые, жадные...

I have read alot on this post.
I have to honestly state that kalinka_vinnie, you know the one who starts with a K and ends with a E, has really made some valid factual points.

Ahh...I see we're back on WW2 again. What, are we trying to beat that 28 page thread or something?

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

так, что не надо морочить нам голову, и признайся что ты перепутал! И я буду признаться, что вики надо исправлять Получается, что мы все что-то учили!

Признаю, что перепутал, но я лишь хотел возразить против того, что США якобы осуществляло помощь, как они говорят: for free. I've never met American who will ever do anything for free.

And the fact that USA keep demanding repayment for WW2 debts is true also.

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

Uhhh....well I'd have to say that the Cold War, to a certain extent, is sort of still going on

Just like a broken nail to a certain extent is sort of a national disaster.

If the cold war was still going on, this forum wouldn't exist to start with.

Originally Posted by Ramil

I've never met American who will ever do anything for free.

Then you probably haven't met too many of them. Americans are at least not less helpful than an average Russian.

Can that random bickering stop?

Originally Posted by Ramil

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

так, что не надо морочить нам голову, и признайся что ты перепутал! И я буду признаться, что вики надо исправлять Получается, что мы все что-то учили!

Признаю, что перепутал, но я лишь хотел возразить против того, что США якобы осуществляло помощь, как они говорят: for free. I've never met American who will ever do anything for free.

And the fact that USA keep demanding repayment for WW2 debts is true also.

I guess you have not met many Americans. BTW, hello, I am American and I volunteer at the hospital for FREE. Now you have met one!

But yes, technically you are right: Lend-lease wasn't entirely free. As it turned out, USSR had to pay for 10% of it.

+1 +1 = +2 to Adoc's posts...