Thread: Crimea joining the Russian Federation and its implications?

Originally Posted by Basil77

A very sane opinion from German Bundestag (English subtitles):

You mean, insane? A German politician? That's what you call sane? They only care about their profits, their investments in Russia?

"Когда Австрийская партия свободы Хайдера вошла в правительство, то прекращались контакты и так далее. А в случае с фашистами с Украины ничего не делаем? У «Свободы» тесные контакты с НДПГ и другими нацистскими партиями в Европе. А председатель партии Олег Тягныбок заявил буквально следующее. Я цитирую. Запомните, что он сказал. Начало цитаты: «Берите оружие, сражайтесь с русскими свиньями, с немцами, с жидовскими свиньями и прочей заразой». Конец цитаты.
Повторяю: этот человек сказал - начало цитаты: «Берите оружие, сражайтесь с русскими свиньями, с немцами, с жидовскими свиньями и прочей заразой». Конец цитаты.
Уже сейчас на евреев и левых ведётся охота. И вы молчите? И с этими людьми из «Свободы» вы ещё разговариваете?"

This has already been proven to be BS - the myth that Svoboda and company are 'nazis' - maybe faux nazis. Jewish leaders have been on record defending them. But, of course, you are selective with your sources like the rest of the neo-Soviet BS-ers.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

This has already been proven to be BS - the myth that Svoboda and company are 'nazis' - maybe faux nazis. Jewish leaders have been on record defending them. But, of course, you are selective with your sources like the rest of the neo-Soviet BS-ers.

I don't give a slightest fvck about "Jewish leaders" you mentioned and their opinion. I know that Svoboda IS nazis, and their nazism turned mainly towards Russians. I know it from my personal expirience.

Sorry could someone explain please, do the Russians or the Crimean people want to unite? Or is this just a governmental power struggle?

Originally Posted by Twonkybot

Sorry could someone explain please, do the Russians or the Crimean people want to unite? Or is this just a governmental power struggle?

Twonkybot, it seems you live in informational vacuum.
I hope you know (or don't?) that the referendum about consolidation is finished. Results of this referendum: attendance is 83.01%, 97.47% of the people of Crimea voted for the uniting. More information (Russian): Референдум о статусе Крыма (2014)
I know it's hard to believe that Russian people can do something different, unlike European propaganda has been portraying them for the last 500 years.

Originally Posted by Twonkybot

Sorry could someone explain please, do the Russians or the Crimean people want to unite? Or is this just a governmental power struggle?

I think it is all very complex. The Crimeans are about 60 per cent ethnic Russians, 15 percent Crimean Tatars, 20 percent Ukrainians and 5 percent other ethnic groups. The Crimean Tatars are the native peoples of Crimea, but the peninsula has a history of several hundred years being part of the Russian Empire. In 1944 the Tatars were deported en mass into the remote regions of Central Asia as a collective punishment by the Soviet regime which the Tatars strongly associate with Russians. Only in 1991 the Tatars were allowed to repatriate to Crimea which at that time became part of Ukraine. So, the Crimean Tatars do not want to become part of Russia because they strongly associate Russians with the oppression and the genocide. At the same time, the rest of the population are influenced by the two major driving forces: the economic (Russia is a way richer country than Ukraine) and cultural (the majority strongly associate themselves with Russian language and culture). At the same time, Crimea has a long history of their local interests being ignored by the central government in Kiev and the Crimean autonomy only exists on paper. So, part of Crimeans prefer being in Russia to being in Ukraine and the other part the other way around. Hope it clarifies..

Originally Posted by Basil77

I don't give a slightest fvck about "Jewish leaders" you mentioned and their opinion.

Obviously.

William Hague is an elected MP of one of the around 650 constituencies across the UK for whom he is supposed to represent the opinion of around 80,000 of the UK's popualtion who live in that one area.

He is in the news due to his job as Foreign Secretary in the Cabinet and I believe it's the Priminister and his advisors etc. who chose the Cabinet members.

What he states as Foreign Secretary is therefore towing the Cabinet line for the nation and therefore not necessarily the opinion of the nation OR in fact his constituency members.

This is why although the Cabinet were mostly in favour of joining the US in the Syrian crisis when it was put to a vote in the Commons each one that was an MP were representing a relatively small percentage of the the population with the majority of the other MP's representing their own constituencies voting against.

That is how basically it is possible for a decision to be made by the populous against Government preferences.

I think that is sort of how it works anyway in my simplistic brain and how we make a vain attempt at democracy in the UK, but that is obviously as long as it goes to a vote! ;-D LOL

I think you are right, there isn't alot between any government representative to be honest as it's rather like a game of Risk!