Thread: Crimea joining the Russian Federation and its implications?

Originally Posted by edvalais

Zubov didn't compare Putin with Hitler - in fact he is very careful to distinguish the two:

"Гитлер и Путин – это совершенно разные люди, у них совершенно разные цели и устремления. Но то, что события внешней политики конца 30-х годов в жизни Германии и в современной жизни России схожи, очень похожи институционально – это так. Я в этом абсолютно уверен и готов доказать это как профессионал."

I don't know where you got this qoutation, it's not from the article, and since you're following again your good habit of not providing links to you quotation, I "quitely put it in the bin".
Actually, (and I am sorry for my mistake) there was no direct comparison between Putin and Hitler in the notorious article. Actually, there was no mention about Putin at all, there was a comparison between the political processes that took place in Germany on the eve of "Anschluss" and in Russia now, which I think is quite a gross exaggeration. You can make sure about it if you take the labour to read the article: ВЕДОМОСТИ - Андрей Зубов: Это уже было
As you can see, the text of the article is not blocked and everyone can read it freely.

Originally Posted by edvalais

Your comment about Zubov's age (which suggests a rather unpleasant attitude towards pensioners) doesn't seem to advance the argument, therefore let's put it quietly in the bin.

I don't have any unpleasant attitude to pensioners. I reminded about his age to make it clear that Zubov doesn't lose too much from his alleged retirement which is inevetable sooner or later because of his age, compared to the preferences he can get playing a role of a "martyr of conscience". Articles in respected Western magazines, lections in prestigious Western universities, maybe even full-time job in one of them - isn't the game worth the candles?
Compare this with the case of Kharkov's ex-governer Dobkin who is put under home arrest and against whome Kiev's power incriminates "encroachment on territorial integrity and inviolability of Ukraine, committed by a representative of the authorities», which is a crime that if proved means up to 5 years of imprisonment. All because of his words about federalization.

Originally Posted by edvalais

You think Zubov will return to work on Monday - I don't. We can't both be right. Let's wait and see.

I don't care about Zubov. He is a man from the "elite", his "standard of life" is incomparably higher than that of simple Russian citizens as I am. So he can care of himself without my help.
...and I will be the most friendly, kind and mild chap you can found on this forum.

Напоминаю всем, что неуважительное обращение друг с другом в дискуссиях здесь неприемлемо и против правил форума, каковы бы ни были политические позиции оппонента.

Moving on from petty squabbles... I invite Russians on this forum to consider the impact Putin's adventure in Crimea is having on your economy. Have a look at this weekend's Financial Times for a full analysis:

- yields on Russia's 10-year government bonds are now at 9.7% (compared with less than 8% in January)
- the rouble is at 36.7 to the dollar, almost a record low
- Russian equities have lost 20% since the start of the year
- $55bn in private capital could flow out of Russia this quarter alone

Add to this the very real risk that foreign banks will cut credit to Russian companies, and you get the general picture. Sad, dangerous times.

Originally Posted by edvalais

Moving on from petty squabbles... I invite Russians on this forum to consider the impact Putin's adventure in Crimea is having on your economy. Have a look at this weekend's Financial Times for a full analysis:

- yields on Russia's 10-year government bonds are now at 9.7% (compared with less than 8% in January)
- the rouble is at 36.7 to the dollar, almost a record low
- Russian equities have lost 20% since the start of the year
- $55bn in private capital could flow out of Russia this quarter alone

Add to this the very real risk that foreign banks will cut credit to Russian companies, and you get the general picture. Sad, dangerous times.

Это офф-топик. Если хочешь, открой новую тему.

Originally Posted by Lampada

Это офф-топик. Если хочешь, открой новую тему.

This week's turmoil in Russia's stock and capital markets is a direct consequence of her desire to annexe Crimea. It is a reaction to the possibility of economic sanctions against Russia. I don't see how this is off-topic, sorry. However, if you don't wish people to discuss the consequences of "Crimea joining the Russian Federation" (the title of this thread) then, being a good boy, I will desist.

Originally Posted by edvalais

This week's turmoil in Russia's stock and capital markets is a direct consequence of her desire to annexe Crimea. It is a reaction to the possibility of economic sanctions against Russia. I don't see how this is off-topic, sorry. However, if you don't wish people to discuss the consequences of "Crimea joining the Russian Federation" (the title of this thread) then, being a good boy, I will desist.

Ладно, пусть здесь остаётся. Я добавлю что-нибудь к названию темы.

Originally Posted by edvalais

This week's turmoil in Russia's stock and capital markets is a direct consequence of her desire to annexe Crimea. It is a reaction to the possibility of economic sanctions against Russia. I don't see how this is off-topic, sorry. However, if you don't wish people to discuss the consequences of "Crimea joining the Russian Federation" (the title of this thread) then, being a good boy, I will desist.

Your points are unpopular to the regulars so you're being re-directed? Same as your 'free speech' topic being moved from 'Politics.' LOL I think the economics of Russia regarding the Crimea developments is relevant. At the very least, there will be repercussions so that the West can save face as they did say there will be consequences. They need to do even something minor.

A good time to begin to study Chinese. 我学汉语 你呢?

Originally Posted by SergeMak

A good time to begin to study Chinese. 我学汉语 你呢?

Nice!

Originally Posted by Lampada

Nice!

谢谢!

Originally Posted by SergeMak

谢谢!

Агащаз. Мне от вас вполне достаточно. Это уже пусть, кому интересно, гуглят.

It's "thank you" in Chinese.
What about the economic situation in Russia, it began to worsen a month before the Crimean events. And not only in Russia. Kazakhstan's currency also was devalued.
As for sanctions... Of course we hope to escape them, but even if we won't... I think sanctions for economy are like a fast for the body - they help to lose redundant weight and strengthen one's heart and spirit.

Originally Posted by SergeMak

It's "thank you" in Chinese.
What about the economic situation in Russia, it began to worsen a month before the Crimean events. And not only in Russia. Kazakhstan's currency also was devalued.
As for sanctions... Of course we hope to escape them, but even if we won't... I think sanctions for economy are like a fast for the body - they help to lose redundant weight and strengthen one's heart and spirit.

Да? Чем хуже, тем лучше? В интернете говорят, что всё было заранее обдумано и просчитано. Я думаю, что ни для кого не лучше. Мои стаки точно вниз пойдут.

Обама вообще клоун, который ничего не решает. Господа, которые принимают решения, которые озвучивает Вашингтон, на публике не любят светиться. Положение Путина довольно шаткое. Если бы он был хоть на 10% таким деспотом, как его рисует Запад, то есть где-то на 5% от уровня Сталина, все эти наши грефы, христенки, набиулины, зурабовы и прочая шушера давно пилила бы вековые ели лобзиком в Сибире. А так как этого не происходит, значит Путин всех устраивает, включая Меркель и Обаму.

Originally Posted by SergeMak

Обама вообще клоун, который ничего не решает. Господа, которые принимают решения, которые озвучивает Вашингтон, на публике не любят светиться. Положение Путина довольно шаткое. Если бы он был хоть на 10% таким деспотом, как его рисует Запад, то есть где-то на 5% от уровня Сталина, все эти наши грефы, христенки, набиулины, зурабовы и прочая шушера давно пилила бы вековые ели лобзиком в Сибире. А так как этого не происходит, значит Путин всех устраивает, включая Меркель и Обаму.

Можно считать, что страсти улеглись, Крым празднует победу. А нам здесь можно уже переходить из Политики в другие разделы.
Серёжа, примите отдельное приглашение!

Well, maybe it was beforehand thought and counted only by who? Isn't it strange that Putin talks more than an hour with Obama over the phone in the dead of the night and on the next morning the mysterious "green men" hold the Crimean Parliament? Then Putin communicates with Merkel and Crimea decides to go for the referendum. Don't you think that the world leaders are fooling us?
Maybe they are trying to convince their peoples that the inevitable worsening of the economies of their countries is not the consequence of the next turn of the world financial crisis which they cannot cope with, but fault of Russia, a traditional scarecrow for the Westerners and let Russia keep Crimea as a moral compensation?

Originally Posted by SergeMak

Well, maybe it was beforehand thought and counted only by who? Isn't it strange that Putin talks more than an hour with Obama over the phone in the dead of the night and on the next morning the mysterious "green men" hold the Crimean Parliament? Then Putin communicates with Merkel and Crimea decides to go for the referendum. Don't you think that the world leaders are fooling us?
Maybe they are trying to convince their peoples that the inevitable worsening of the economies of their countries is not the consequence of the next turn of the world financial crisis which they cannot cope with, but fault of Russia, a traditional scarecrow for the Westerners and let Russia keep Crimea as a moral compensation?

Ой, не смешите мои тапочки! Путин правит по указке Обамы? А до Обамы? А что будет после Обамы? Обаме чуть больше друх лет осталось.
Честно говоря, я политикой вообще не интересуюсь и в ней не разбираюсь. Важно, как политика отражается на жизни людей. От разных резких перемен часто не приходится ждать хорошего.

Все только начинается, но спасибо за приглашение.

(preliminary information)

Well, I am convinced by this referendum. It's definitely the will of the majority on Crimea to become Russians. Good luck to them. I hope Russia will treat them really well.

Sure, I can spot that there was no third option on the ballot, and that the campaigning situation gave Russia an edge. Defininitely a lot of money was spent on some very populistic campaigning. But looking at the convincing figures, the high level of participation and the exultation in people celebrating, it's still definitely the will of the majority.

And it doesn't matter if it had been done perfectly by the book.... The EU and USA, and in extension, media in these countries would never have approved of the referendum regardless. Might as well not bother trying.

As for Ukraine ..this type of thing that happens, if a counry alienates minorities and exerts language oppression. The EU collectively knows this, but supported coup makers that they know don't tolerate minorities. I think the EU did Ukraine a disservice, and that many Ukrainians let themselves be manipulated.

Hopefully the new government in Kiev will consider how they treat minority people in Ukraine in light of this.

It wouldn't surprise me if this referendum and the outcome will serve as a catalyst for other European areas that also find themselves in the wrong country, or would like independence. There are plenty.

So this will be the THIRD country that a 35 year old+ Crimean is a citizen of, without actually moving!