Thread: Crimea joining the Russian Federation and its implications?

Originally Posted by edvalais

Read also the messages posted by a Russian who says he doesn't care that Americans were banned from adopting orphans in Russia - even if it means the orphans have to stay in their (sometimes vile) care homes.

I know it's popular in the US to call the adoption ban a retaliation for the Magnitsky Act but I don't believe that. Russia's response was to ban certain Americans from entering Russia.
Did you read about the Russian baby that was abused by the American homosexual couple that adopted him? Google "Mark Newton" or "Peter Truong". Do 3 year olds really beat themselves to death? Google "Maxim Kuzmin".
Or maybe the 7 year old that was beaten to death by his adoptive parents in Texas? Google "Ivan Skorobogatov". Or maybe the 6 year old that was beaten to death? His adoptive mother was only charged with involuntary manslaughter. Google "Alex Pavlis".
It's a huge list of dead and abused Russian orphans that led to that adoption ban. If I was a Russian orphan, I would pray that I was never adopted by an American family. The adoption ban was put in place to protect Russian orphans.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

I know it's popular in the US to call the adoption ban a retaliation for the Magnitsky Act but I don't believe that. Russia's response was to ban certain Americans from entering Russia.

Well, with respect, I believe the ban on adoption was a direct response to the Magnitsky Act. If Magnitsky had never happened, Americans would still be able to adopt. As for the ban on some Americans entering Russia, how many of these Americans hid the proceeds of illegal activities in the US in Russia? I would say roughly zero. How many of the Russian Magnitsky fraudsters hid money in the US? All of them? Half of them?

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

If I was a Russian orphan, I would pray that I was never adopted by an American family. The adoption ban was put in place to protect Russian orphans.

You're kidding, right? If there is abuse anywhere the perpetrators need to be punished. I hope that anyone abusing Russian orphans is given an exemplary prison sentence. Nevertheless, if I were a Russian orphan I would pray that an American would adopt me, rather than staying in the orphanage.

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Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

...It's a huge list of dead and abused Russian orphans that led to that adoption ban. If I was a Russian orphan, I would pray that I was never adopted by an American family. The adoption ban was put in place to protect Russian orphans.

Ужасные, ужасные случаи! A huge list? How huge? Просто никогда не могла читать о подобном. Для любой нормальной матери - это, как ножом по сердцу.
И всё равно здесь я с тобой не согласна. Ты можешь нагуглить сотни, тысячи историй о прекрасных усыновлениях. Душа болит за детей, которые остаются никому не нужными. Особенно трагичны в детских домах жизни больных сирот и сирот-инвалидов.

Originally Posted by Lampada

Ужасные, ужасные случаи! A huge list? How huge? Просто никогда не могла читать о подобном. Для любой нормальной матери - это, как ножом по сердцу.
И всё равно здесь я с тобой не согласна. Ты можешь нагуглить сотни, тысячи историй о прекрасных усыновлениях. Душа болит за детей, которые остаются никому не нужными. Особенно трагичны в детских домах жизни больных сирот и сирот-инвалидов.

You express much more eloquently what I was trying to say!

It may seem that I'm being "anti-Russian", but I'm in fact trying to be "pro-children". I would much rather that a British orphan was adopted by a properly-vetted Russian couple than remain in care in the UK. (There have been scandals in UK children's homes too.)

I'm also not being "anti-Russian" when I criticise politics in your country - I'm "pro-democracy". I equally deplore what's happening in Guantanimo etc. Democracy should have no nationality.

Originally Posted by edvalais

Well, with respect, I believe the ban on adoption was a direct response to the Magnitsky Act. If Magnitsky had never happened, Americans would still be able to adopt. As for the ban on some Americans entering Russia, how many of these Americans hid the proceeds of illegal activities in the US in Russia? I would say roughly zero. How many of the Russian Magnitsky fraudsters hid money in the US? All of them? Half of them?

Everyone has an opinion but there's no proof that the adoption ban was a response to the Magnitsky Act. But there's proof that it could have been a response to the abuse and deaths. I could be wrong but my conclusion is based on what I know about it... and that's not very much.
I know almost nothing about the Magnitsky act or the people who were affected by it so I can't comment on that.

Originally Posted by edvalais

You're kidding, right? If there is abuse anywhere the perpetrators need to be punished. I hope that anyone abusing Russian orphans is given an exemplary prison sentence. Nevertheless, if I were a Russian orphan I would pray that an American would adopt me, rather than staying in the orphanage.

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It's good that the authorities are investigating the abuse in that orphanage. But it happens in other orphanages too.
Btw, I'm happy you feel as strongly about this issue as I do. I had a friend that was abused by his adoptive family. They moved so I don't know where he is now but I'm sure he's not happy. That shouldn't be happening to any kid anywhere.
I've never been in an orphanage and I didn't watch the video in the link. But yeah, I have heard about them and I know I wouldn't want to be in one... or be adopted. It sounds kinda scary either way.

Originally Posted by Lampada

Ужасные, ужасные случаи! A huge list? How huge? Просто никогда не могла читать о подобном. Для любой нормальной матери - это, как ножом по сердцу.
И всё равно здесь я с тобой не согласна. Ты можешь нагуглить сотни, тысячи историй о прекрасных усыновлениях. Душа болит за детей, которые остаются никому не нужными. Особенно трагичны в детских домах жизни больных сирот и сирот-инвалидов.

I got dragged into a thread about the adoptions by a friend at another site. I didn't read all the articles and I refuse to watch videos about that topic. If there are hundreds and thousands of good adoptions then that makes me happy. And I agree orphanages should be a safe place for kids with people that really care about them. I'm not a girl or a mom but I'm not a monster either. It disturbs me to hear about the bad things that happen. Kids should be protected and safe.

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I'm sorry but this whole thing confuses me immensely. What the hell has it to do with the US, run by people who desecrated the indigineous population of America in their pursuit of claiming land they had no right to for one thing. Secondly, let the people decide as all persons concerned have a point of view. Let it go to a vote. What do the people want, not the US, ignore them, they still have ghettos in the South despite all their bravado in the 1990's about aparteid, so tell them to clean up their own garden......