Thread: Cold War between US and Russia (again)?

So, is it too soon to say our countries may be entering into another Cold War period?

These two articles published by the Russian news service RIA Novosti got me thinking about it.

Americans’ Distrust of Russia Grows – Poll | World | RIA Novosti

The number of Americans who expressed a fair amount to a great deal of trust in Russia fell from 33 percent in 2012 to 24 percent this year, while more than two-thirds of Americans – 68 percent – said they have little if any trust in Russia, the poll conducted by the Pew Research Center found.

Last year 60 percent of Americans told Pew pollsters they didn’t trust Russia.

Americans have the same level of distrust for Russia as they have for Saudi Arabia, according to the poll, and they trust Russia slightly less than they do China.

Russians Feeling Increasingly Negative Toward US – Poll | World | RIA Novosti

Overall, Russians currently feel the most negative about America since September 2008, a month after Russia fought a small war against the South Caucasus nation of Georgia, whose president had close ties with the US.

The current overall sentiment, though, is more comparable to that of 2009, when the US and Russia marked a “reset” in bilateral relations.

Still, 46 percent of Russians currently hold a positive view of America, the pollster said, adding that the figure comprised mostly young adults and residents of big cities.

The people with the most negative perception of the US were respondents in small towns or those over the age of 45, the pollster added.

All I can say is, the most relaxed period in U.S. - Russia relations was during the 1990s. Tensions began to rise back starting from the 2000s...

Cold War between US and Russia (again)?

По-моему, прохладные отношения между странами - это норма. Так было при царе-косаре (очень давно), при большевиках (недавно), так есть сейчас. Помните телемосты между СССР и США с Познером и Донахью? На первый телемост наши участники пришли с хлебом-солью. Но американские домохозяйки быстро поставили их на место и началась словесная драка. С тех пор ничего не изменилось. Общественное мнение - вещь очень инертная.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

All I can say is, the most relaxed period in U.S. - Russia relations was during the 1990s. Tensions began to rise back starting from the 2000s...

Мы тогда вели политику, которая противоречила нашим интересам. Отдали большую территорию в Тихом Океане, ушли из Европы без всяких условий. В трезвом уме так политику не делают.

Originally Posted by shnuddy

I understand what it means to have trust in God. But what is that supposed to mean "to have trust in Russia"? I think that media is using equivocating terms which simply mislead people.

Да, но чтобы начать войну против кого-то, нужно именно это поверхностное негативное мнение обывателя, а не эксперта. Так что данное исследование имеет большое практическое значение.

So, it is one-sided war (if we could match words 'trust' and 'war' at all)

It's funny, that in Russia not a lot of things have changed but you say there are dynamics in opinions in the US ?

Russians have a strong identity. День народного единства proved that in 1612. Americans have a strong identity too but the US identity is invasive. Dunno, maybe Americans thought that after the victory over the putschists that there was a chance to westernize Russia. But it didn't happen so maybe that's a huge part of the problem.
I don't get why people can't just accept other cultures and learn from them. It's so easy.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

Russians have a strong identity. День народного единства proved that in 1612.

It is absolutely artificial identity. Well, maybe it was important historically but now, I believe, most people have no Idea what happened that time. Russians were able to organize against polish invasion? Sounds kinda funny today. Ivan Susanin & "Life for the Zar"? Even more funny.

Originally Posted by it-ogo

It is absolutely artificial identity.

The history itself is artificial since it's made by humans.
I must admit that an idea of a Polish invasion or the loyalty towards the now discredited Romanovs might sound kinda ridiculous today. Yet, I find nothing funny about the year 1612. The Motherland was in peril and our ancestors arose to save it.

Originally Posted by DrBaldhead

The Motherland was in peril and our ancestors arose to save it.

Yep. It sounds quite respectable in patriotic rhetorics. But did you personally palyed a hero of 1612 in your childhood? Were you so inspired about that symbol of national unity? Will your children be?

That's what I call artificial.

Or is it Tepid Peace?

I am amazed at this humans' feature to make judgments and estimation about the things which are so poorly pictured in their minds. Most of Americans and Russians have quite a poor idea what it is like to live in the country of their counterparts. I don't understand what they mean by

"The number of Americans who expressed a fair amount to a great deal of trust in Russia fell from 33 percent in 2012 to 24 percent this year, while more than two-thirds of Americans – 68 percent – said they have little if any trust in Russia, the poll conducted by the Pew Research Center found."

I understand what it means to have trust in God. But what is that supposed to mean "to have trust in Russia"? I think that media is using equivocating terms which simply mislead people. Plus Americans and Russians see one another through the lens of political movements of their leaders on the international arena. It's not the right way to get a genuine picture about each other I believe.

Originally Posted by shnuddy

I understand what it means to have trust in God. But what is that supposed to mean "to have trust in Russia"? I think that media is using equivocating terms which simply mislead people.

i see, i've opened the Pew poll in pdf. It's 'trust in Russia'. I thought it was a linguistic question. I understand it as "доверие к России".

Originally Posted by alexsms

i see, i've opened the Pew poll in pdf. It's 'trust in Russia'. I thought it was a linguistic question. I understand it as "доверие к России".

In this case "trust in God" is "доверие к Богу". But it wasn't the point I was trying to make. The point is that people may not trust their neighbors, spouses, parents, children and so on leaving aside such big things like foreign countries. It's not a surprise to know that the trust level is low. What surprises me is that the question of trust has been brought up as such. Trust implies expectations.

If I had a chance to ask those people who say that they don't have or have trust in Russia, I would ask them about their expectations and hopes set by them on Russia. And the key question is: How come you have some expectations about Russia as this is what defines trusting. We trust someone when our expectations are met. I don't think that USA or Russia (or any other country) tries to please someone else except oneself. So, why trust?

Originally Posted by shnuddy

In this case "trust in God" is "доверие к Богу". But it wasn't the point I was trying to make. The point is that people may not trust their neighbors, spouses, parents, children and so on leaving aside such big things like foreign countries. It's not a surprise to know that the trust level is low. What surprises me is that the question of trust has been brought up as such. Trust implies expectations.

If I had a chance to ask those people who say that they don't have or have trust in Russia, I would ask them about their expectations and hopes set by them on Russia. And the key question is: How come you have some expectations about Russia as this is what defines trusting. We trust someone when our expectations are met. I don't think that USA or Russia (or any other country) tries to please someone else except oneself. So, why trust?

Let's not make it so complicated, please. We do not want to bury this topic in semantics, do we?
I am upset about deteriorating relationship between our two countries. Nobody would benefit from it, except Syria perhaps.

Originally Posted by shnuddy

And the key question is: How come you have some expectations about Russia as this is what defines trusting. We trust someone when our expectations are met. I don't think that USA or Russia (or any other country) tries to please someone else except oneself. So, why trust?

There is an easy (I am not saying necessarily a true) answer.
If you believe it is in the best interest of any country to follow the USA lead, why wouldn't you trust them doing exactly that?

Speaking of Russians, I think it is safe to say that the USA acts more or less like most Russians expect it to.

Originally Posted by E-learner

There is an easy (I am not saying necessarily a true) answer.
If you believe it is in the best interest of any country to follow the USA lead, why wouldn't you trust them doing exactly that?
Speaking of Russians, I think it is safe to say that the USA acts more or less like most Russians expect it to.

I believe every country has its own interests. The notion of "USA lead" needs elaboration as on its own it can mean too many things to mention. I was talking about positive expectations which trust is built on. The expectations you mentioned build the opposite.

@shnuddy, I am not sure the rianovosti texts are always written by native speakers of English.

Originally Posted by alexsms

@shnuddy, I am not sure the rianovosti texts are always written by native speakers of English.

Pew Research Center doesn't sound like rianovosti to me. Or do you think they are the same entity?

Со стороны виднее?
Вот перевод с турецкого.


"Мы приближаемся к новой холодной войне?
("Anayurt", Турция)
Хусейин Багджи (Prof. Dr. Hüseyin BAĞCI)

Недавние резкие заявления президентов Барака Обамы и Владимира Путина во всем мире вызывают один вопрос: неужели начинается новая холодная война? По всей видимости, удовлетворение запроса гражданина США Эдварда Сноудена о предоставлении убежища в России после обнародования им американских разведданных и невозвращения в США во избежание судебного преследования продемонстрировало силу России и вместе с тем слабость США. Таким образом, заявление Барака Обамы о том, что он не считает «предателя» Сноудена «патриотом», повлечет за собой новые декламации и проблемы.

Политика «восстановления былой силы», преследуемая Владимиром Путиным, по сути, вступает в период, когда в России набирают силу антиамериканские настроения. В 1991 году, когда с исторической сцены исчез Советский Союз, просвещенное и молодое поколение россиян того времени симпатизировало США. Однако новое поколение, возникшее за прошедшие с тех пор 20 лет, в значительной мере выступает против Америки. Поэтому представители некоммерческих организаций американского происхождения в России удостаиваются ярлыка «агенты США». Проявляя особую настойчивость в этом вопросе, Путин и его команда считают, что необходим «подконтрольный диалог гражданского общества» с Америкой. В то же время инцидент со Сноуденом обнаружил новую ситуацию, в которой гражданин США рассматривается в России не как агент, а как патриот.

Как президент, проводящий идеалистическую и реалистическую политику, Барак Обама сегодня предпочитает словесную дуэль с Россией. Очевидно, желание унизить Путина через создание образа «заскучавшего школьника» вызвало обратный эффект. Перепалка Обамы и Путина также будет иметь военное и политическое измерения, и Россия пожелает войти в такие регионы, как Ближний Восток или Центральная Европа, откуда США постепенно отступают. Так сегодня выглядят международные силовые балансы.

Насколько сбиты с толку США, настолько же точна Россия. Россия стремится снова стать великой державой и убедить мир принять ее новую идентичность. Действительно, ожидать другую форму поведения от страны, обладающей таким богатством природных ресурсов, было бы бессмысленно. Конфликт Обама - Путин только начинает разгораться. Теперь настал черед Путина. ..."

Мы приближаемся к новой холодной войне? | ИноСМИ - Все, что достойно перевода

All I know is that every day I hear anti-Russian and anti-American sentiments and it makes me sad to see us sinking back into another cold war. It feels like the last one never really ended, to be honest.

RIA Novosti is a Government-funded/operated mouth piece. When the opportunity presents itself, that source will capitalize on 'polls' and other stories.

RIA Novosti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Svetlana Mironyuk is editor-in-chief of the RIA Novosti news agency and also a member of the World Economic Forum which include such impressive members Nicolas Sarkozy, Angela Merkel, Gordon Brown, David Cameron and Dmitry Medvedev to name some but not all. Yep, these are all trustworthy and honest not to mention ethical people of positions of some power and control.

I'm sure there will be another "Cold War" with the U.S. being bankrupt to the tune of some 17 trillion dollars and the rich neo-Soviet Russia with Putin at the helm. Russia is not doing that well economically with Mr. Pootin driving the ship so if he decides to try to do USSR #2, the country is posed to collapse yet again. Russians that care to investigate can see that the country is not doing all that great so cannot afford another Cold War build-up.

The article just looks to exaggerate and fear monger so that citizens may accept or even support more security and military spending.