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Boo. I thought it was going well. Political debates rarely stay civil. :)

Tim.

Ok agreed, but a just society doesn't allow it. I guess the question is: Can a just society exist?" That's another debate.



I don't agree that right and wrong are subjective, but that is also...

I would like to retract my statement that rights are granted by society.

Rights exist because of Man's interaction with others. No one grants them.

This scenario hopefully demonstrates what I...

It can and does in every society.[/quote]

I am talking about what is correct (right vs. wrong). Yes, bad things can and do happen but that does not make them correct. I think we are arguing...

I was refering to rights in my statement you quoted. A group cannot violate anyone else's rights in the same way an individual cannot.

One always has rights. Regardless of whether or not they...

A group and an individual both have exactly the same right to breed. Obviously, only the group (possibly) has the ability, but that doesn't allow them any more rights.

Tim.

This is ridiculous. And obviously false.[/quote]

What do you mean "obviously false"? Might does not make right.

In the real world, yes, groups of people will work together to get their way...

A group does not have more rights than an individual. There is nothing a group can do that an idividual cannot.



People can live anyway they want so long as it does not violate the rights of...

It's not that it is disallowed, it is stiffled.

If everyone recieves equal share of the nation's resources, there is no motivation to try hard. You work you ass off everyday only to earn the same...