Thread: Controversial Problems in Russian and Some Other Societies

Originally Posted by Deborski

The issue of adopting Russian kids is a complex one, but it's unfair to target ONLY gay parents.

It is also unfair to left out gay parents on these issues in favor of your believes. Especially when we are talking about abusing children

Originally Posted by Deborski

Regarding the "gay propaganda" laws - I'm sorry you support laws which make it a crime for gay couples to kiss in public, or for anyone to even discuss the issue of gay rights.
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It isn't about anyone interfering. I'm not going to fly to Russia tomorrow and hand out rainbow flags to anyone. But I certainly do not actively SUPPORT state-sponsored suppression of minorities, nor do I support it when a blind eye is turned to the people who beat, maim or kill others just because their sexuality makes them uncomfortable.
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As far as Russia goes, if I am going to be arrested in Russia for saying any of the things I said here (and one Dutch couple already WAS arrested for speaking out in favor of gay rights while visiting Russia), then I will not be going to Russia any time soon.

The proposed law suggests a $300 fine for offenders. I'm not sure why you implying criminal charges here. Maybe because $300 fine wouldn't show the supporters as martyrs?

I don't know why majority need step on their throats in the meaning "of born this way" in favor of minorities
I'm born the way that I don't like to see two men kissing why should I be silent about it in favor of their sexual orientation?

Hypocrisy already consumed minds of many Americans, I don't see it as a good thing

Originally Posted by Doomer

It is also unfair to left out gay parents on these issues in favor of your believes. Especially when we are talking about abusing children

The proposed law suggests a $300 fine for offenders. I'm not sure why you implying criminal charges here. Maybe because $300 fine wouldn't show the supporters as martyrs?

I don't know why majority need step on their throats in the meaning "of born this way" in favor of minorities
I'm born the way that I don't like to see two men kissing why should I be silent about it in favor of their sexual orientation?

Hypocrisy already consumed minds of many Americans, I don't see it as a good thing

Well, Doomer, I'm not sure how much money you think I have, but I frequently am outspoken, and given the fact that I am not going to SHUT UP or supress my opinions, I don't plan on going to Russia and shelling out $300 every time I say that I believe gays should be allowed to exist.

As for your rights? You have a right not to go to gay parades if you don't like them. You have a right not to be gay. It's really that simple.

The hypocrisy is certainly there. And you don't even see how glaringly obvious it is in your own words, because you are so busy trying to point it out in mine.

Regarding "stepping on people's throats"... interesting you should bring that up, since that is exactly what the gay-bashers did at the last gay pride parade in St. Petersburg. They stepped on people's throats, punched them, beat them, attacked them, whipped them, and the police allowed it all to happen.

Originally Posted by Deborski

Well, Doomer, I'm not sure how much money you think I have, but I frequently am outspoken, and given the fact that I am not going to SHUT UP or supress my opinions, I don't plan on going to Russia and shelling out $300 every time I say that I believe gays should be allowed to exist.

So we are back to Bruce Willis with "I hate niggers" sign in the middle of Harlem.
Your post also shows the whole "American pride" thing so well. "I'm proud of my believes so much that I'm gonna brag about it"

Originally Posted by Deborski

As for your rights? You have a right not to go to gay parades if you don't like them. You have a right not to be gay. It's really that simple.

We all well know that gay parades is the beginning, then comes marriage, social acceptance, and then gays will becomes another "blacks" when you cannot say anything opposing them without having society bathing you in shit

I just remembered watching CNN one day the topic was "the N word again". They were verbally beating up a political person, a women, who, if I'm not mistaken "said the N word 15 years ago". CNN was asking that women is to resign immediately
I mean the whole hypocrisy of this is just mind blowing: America is a free country, you have a right to express your thoughts. Yeah, riiiight. This whole thing smells like a big pile of BS

Originally Posted by Doomer

So we are back to Bruce Willis with "I hate niggers" sign in the middle of Harlem.
Your post also shows the whole "American pride" thing so well. "I'm proud of my believes so much that I'm gonna brag about it"


We all well know that gay parades is the beginning, then comes marriage, social acceptance, and then gays will becomes another "blacks" when you cannot say anything opposing them without having society bathing you in shit

It isn't American pride at all! LOL You know better too. You have seen me say many negative things about my country. But on the issue of gay rights, I stand by it.

Not sure what you mean about "bathing in shit." I have black friends. I also know black people who are assholes. I don't shy from telling them all what I think. But the good thing about America - at least for the time being - is that I won't be fined $300 each time I speak my mind.

I am really sad that everything is "us and them" with your statement. What is so bad about society ACCEPTING black people, gay people, or Russian people? I don't care if people are gay, straight, black, white, male, female or purple with pink polka dots. If they are nice to me, I will be nice to them.

Originally Posted by Deborski

It isn't American pride at all!

Unfortunately, it is. And you are blinded by it and cannot see it. I can see it because I'm a foreigner

Originally Posted by Deborski

Not sure what you mean about "bathing in shit." I have black friends. I also know black people who are assholes. I don't shy from telling them all what I think.

bathing in shit means that you will be beat up verbally and maybe physically for speaking up your mind

Originally Posted by Deborski

But the good thing about America - at least for the time being - is that I won't be fined $300 each time I speak my mind.

They only make you to resign and lose you carrier and your lifestyle. I think it is way to much comparing to $300

Originally Posted by Deborski

I am really sad that everything is "us and them" with your statement. What is so bad about society ACCEPTING black people, gay people, or Russian people? I don't care if people are gay, straight, black, white, male, female or purple with pink polka dots. If they are nice to me, I will be nice to them.

Accepting is a broad term
If they'd be nice not to kiss on public I would really appreciate it. But apparently it's too much to ask