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    One of these is correct.

    Which one?

    1. A Machiavellian ruler will be remembered as the most popular politician of his time.

    2. Bourgeois manners tend to be different from the manners of those in the middle class.
    Please, can You correct, if I have made mistakes.

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    Оба предложения грамматинчо правильны.

    Но во втором есть неправильный выбор слов. Это потому что, Bourgeois = middle class, поэтому предложение не имеет смысла.

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    Well Machiavellian is defined as:

    suggesting the principles of conduct laid down by Machiavelli; specifically : marked by cunning, duplicity, or bad faith

    Doesn't seem like a very popular figure... Both wrong?
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    Re: One of these is correct.

    1. A Machiavellian ruler will be remembered as the most popular politician of his time.
    This is how I see it:
    "... the most popular politician of his time" can only refer to a definite person.
    "A Machiavellian ruler" is not a definite person.
    Am I wrong?

    Well Machiavellian is defined as:

    suggesting the principles of conduct laid down by Machiavelli; specifically : marked by cunning, duplicity, or bad faith

    Doesn't seem like a very popular figure...
    Одно другому не мешает.

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    Re: One of these is correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by E-learner
    This is how I see it:
    "... the most popular politician of his time" can only refer to a definite person.
    "A Machiavellian ruler" is not a definite person.
    Am I wrong?
    Yes, you are wrong.

    "... the most popular politician" refers back to the ruler mentioned earlier in the sentence. Grammatically, that is a definite person.

    My objection to sentence 1 is that it contains a logical fallacy. The use of "will" is too determinate in a sentence that implies causality between a very general cause and a very specific effect. It implies that, simply by acting in a Machiavellian manner, any ruler can guarantee becoming the "most popular politician", which is provably false with even the most basic logic.

    "A Machiavellian ruler could/ may/ might be remembered as the most popular politician of his time. "

    "This Specific Machiavellian ruler will be remembered as the most popular politician of his time"

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    Re: One of these is correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by scotcher
    Quote Originally Posted by E-learner
    This is how I see it:
    "... the most popular politician of his time" can only refer to a definite person.
    "A Machiavellian ruler" is not a definite person.
    Am I wrong?
    Yes, you are wrong.

    "... the most popular politician" refers back to the ruler mentioned earlier in the sentence. Grammatically, that is a definite person.

    My objection to sentence 1 is that it contains a logical fallacy. The use of "will" is too determinate in a sentence that implies causality between a very general cause and a very specific effect. It implies that, simply by acting in a Machiavellian manner, any ruler can guarantee becoming the "most popular politician", which is provably false with even the most basic logic.

    "A Machiavellian ruler could/ may/ might be remembered as the most popular politician of his time. "

    "This Specific Machiavellian ruler will be remembered as the most popular politician of his time"
    Sentence 1 is stupid, but technically, it is logically consistent. Sentence 2 is not logically consistent, as chaika pointed out.

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