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    Both - plural or singular?

    Which one is correct:

    1. If both the dealer and the player has очко then dealer wins.

    2. If both the dealer and the player have очко then dealer wins.
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    Я склоняюсь к первому варианту. Хотя, второй тоже не плох...

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    Re: Both - plural or singular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Which one is correct:

    1. If both the dealer and the player has очко then dealer wins.

    2. If both the dealer and the player have очко then dealer wins.
    2 Is correct as its present tense.

    However, plenty of English speakers will use the past tense in your first example (1) and get away with it, so it depends how accurate you want to be.
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    Re: Both - plural or singular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezri
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Which one is correct:

    1. If both the dealer and the player has очко then dealer wins.

    2. If both the dealer and the player have очко then dealer wins.
    2 Is correct as its present tense.

    However, plenty of English speakers will use the past tense in your first example (1) and get away with it, so it depends how accurate you want to be.
    I see - every time I don't know the difference I should use the past tense
    Just joking. Actually I was asking in general - when I use the word 'both' should I use plural or singular afterwards?

    1 variant : Both {1} and {2} have (because there are two of them)
    I think this one is correct but maybe in English I should use

    2 variant : Both {1} and {2} has (because 'has' relates to 'both', not to the {1} or {2})
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    Re: Both - plural or singular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    1 variant : Both {1} and {2} have (because there are two of them)
    I think this one is correct
    You're absolutely right, Ramil.

    BTW, "both" is plural as well, so the second variant can never be correct.
    F.ex.:

    I met Annie and Laurie. Both were (pl.!) wearing the same red dress.
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    Re: Both - plural or singular?

    Quote Originally Posted by BabaYaga
    BTW, "both" is plural as well, so the second variant can never be correct.
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    Plural.

    And, if anybody says "had", it's only because they are thinking "conditional" because of "if". It doesn't mean past tense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rtyom
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    I was pretty sure that I did type 'ty'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xkalibur
    Я склоняюсь к первому варианту. Хотя, второй тоже неплох...
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    Isn't the word "Ti" the informal way of saying "you" in Russian??
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    "both" is plural: both are, both have. but when you have intervening words or phrases, sometimes the speaker forgets and just uses the verb form that matches the closest noun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Quote Originally Posted by Rtyom
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    I was pretty sure that I did type 'ty'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Quote Originally Posted by Rtyom
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    I was pretty sure that I did type 'ty'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Quote Originally Posted by Rtyom
    Tie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Quote Originally Posted by Rtyom
    Tie?
    I was pretty sure that I did type 'ty'.
    Это ты редактировала моё сообщение?
    Хотела, как лучше. Ладно, больше не буду.
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    На всякий случай: ty = thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    На всякий случай: ty = thank you
    Aw Ramil, don't mind them - they're just teasing . I understood you perfectly - and you're very welcome.
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    Re: Both - plural or singular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Which one is correct:

    1. If both the dealer and the player has очко then dealer wins.

    2. If both the dealer and the player have очко then dealer wins.
    I don't think either one is correct... I really don't think очко is an English word...
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    Re: Both - plural or singular?

    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Which one is correct:

    1. If both the dealer and the player has очко then dealer wins.

    2. If both the dealer and the player have очко then dealer wins.
    I don't think either one is correct... I really don't think очко is an English word...
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