Thread: Obama Birth Certificate Faked

Originally Posted by Pavelov

What nonsense? Obama made promises to get out of Iraq war and 'be different' but is taking same line as Bush.

He is a liar. He is a puppet in a network of deceivers and the U.S. is headed downwards with eventually collapse of American dollar... they all know this and the only recourse is war and inventing 'enemies' and lies in order to distratct American public and pretend they try to improve the economy. This is the definition of being a traitor. What exactly can you counter with this as being nonsense. Please be sensible and explain what is wrong with saying this, please? I am providing the truth.

Pavelov, I will strive to address your concern respectfully.

"Traitor" is a word which defines a specific crime in America, that of "treason." It is the highest charge in our court systems, as far as I know; and it is also NOT congruent with the action definition you provided above.

Now, to address the definition of "nonsense," I will enumerate these concepts, undefined in their present state, which require not only definition but requisite evidence in order to be considered in the sense you are proposing.

#1. Obama "promises to get out of Iraq war" : This is a hot-button topic for American citizens through both presidencies. Many officials from many different walks have stated that the problem is not merely that the President hasn't pushed the 'extract' button; but rather that there are conditions of military, economic, social and political forces that prevent extraction timetables from being adhered to; as this is as much an issue of the heads of the military as it is the commander-in-chief, I find a call to "traitorship" based on this to be as pithy as the Tea-Party statements about citizenship.

#2. "he is taking the same line as Bush" : Unless unbeknownst to me Obama is a board member on an arms company as large as Haliburton, or has blood ties in his lineage back to the Queen of England (or, for that matter, shares a close personal relationship with the Rockefeller bloodline and collectively helped to plan and mastermind the fall of the towers in 2001), he is NOT taking the same line as Bush; and stacked against this, without evidence to sway one towards your way of thinking, I find a claim of "traitorship" based on this to be as pithy as above stated.

#3. "He is a puppet in a network of deceivers" : I'll give this one a grain of salt. How is he controlled? Who controls him? Where are the puppet-strings? Give us a bit of the evidence you used to reach this conclusion. Surely you had some evidence beyond the extraterrestrial to reach this end.. What organization "runs things behind the curtains"? I'm as game to believe this as the next guy, but I'll need SOME sort of evidence before I throw my card in the ring with this one.

#4. LOGICAL FALLACY::: If the country is controlled by a 'network of deceivers' (presumably relatively intelligent, considering their ability to fool the entire world and run one of the world's superpowers without being seen, like SMERSH), why would that presumably above-average-intelligence group of people send "the US headed downwards"? Is there some reason why really good drivers seem to be crashing the proverbial car??

#5. "they all know this" : who?

#6. "the only recourse is war and inventing 'enemies' and lies in order to distratct American public and pretend they try to improve the economy.." Let me be sure I understand: A group of people take over a world superpower, completely hidden in so doing, and take that superpower into war with other superpowers, weakening their acquisition in the process, so they can then "invent" even more enemies, all for the purpose of distracting an already clueless public, so they can pretend to try to improve the economy...... while doing what? Building a doomsday device? Trying to blow up the moon? The motivation behind the characters you paint does not make sense. All of the Bond villains, David Icke Lizard-men and Devil-Come-to-Bring-About-Armageddon explanations aside, *I would love* to know why any group of people would do all this.

#7. "I am providing the truth." No sir. Respectfully, I must say that you are providing opinion.

I would be glad to discuss fact and truth, with evidence and citation. But the first two without the second two are indeed Fiction.

#8. "He is a liar." I'm pretty sure you're right about this one. But so far, I'm not sure I feel betrayed by this as much as duly served. It's hard to find a political leader that doesn't tell a lie. Cue the old joke about George Washington and his cherry tree.