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    double vowels -яя -ии -ее

    Can anyone help me learn how to pronounce such (unstressed) endings of words? I use a textbook but it doesn't say how to pronounce such words.

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    You can try to use the google translator.

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    Oh that's really nice! To my ears though, -яя and -ее sound pretty much the same. Guess I'll have to listen to it a couple of 100 times.

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    Yes, maybe you should add -ие into the mix. осенние, for example.
    "Невозможно передать смысл иностранной фразы, не разрушив при этом её первоначальную структуру."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sjoasja View Post
    Oh that's really nice! To my ears though, -яя and -ее sound pretty much the same. Guess I'll have to listen to it a couple of 100 times.
    It might help. Also, perhaps listening to songs could be helpful and more fun.


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    ЭТО ЗДОРОВО - НИКОЛАЙ НОСКОВ

    Eta Zdorova - Nikolai Noskov

    with Lyrics!



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    Владимир Высоцкий - КОНИ ПРИВЕРЕДЛИВЫЕ

    ("Skittish" Horses)

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    Я СВОБОДЕН -- Кипелов Валерий

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    "Шумел камыш" текст


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    "Опера № 2"

    Витас

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sjoasja View Post
    To my ears though, -яя and -ее sound pretty much the same. Guess I'll have to listen to it a couple of 100 times.
    Unstressed endings can be pronounced identically. It’s not your ears’ fault.
    Marcus likes this.
    Please correct my English

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    Wow, thanks for all the videos! Really helpful Would осенние sound different then осеннее?

    Yeah I feel like the unstressed endings sound very identical. Same with -oe -ая endings when unstressed. I guess it's just a matter of practice and listening.

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    They are all different, this is what endings are good for .
    May be you will want to hear some clips with the media player able to slow down videos, VLC for example.
    "Невозможно передать смысл иностранной фразы, не разрушив при этом её первоначальную структуру."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sjoasja View Post
    ...I guess it's just a matter of practice and listening.
    Start with loud and clear pronunciation, where difference is obvious. Practice and you will end with fluent speech, where unstressed vowels are degraded to some kind of "unclear sounds". It is biology and physics of mouth and language.

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    Loud and clear pronounciation makes sense to get a better feeling for it. I might record myself a couple of times and post it here. Maybe someone can then tell me how far off my pronounciation still is

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    осеннее as-sen-n'i-ji
    осенние as-sen-n'i-ji

    осеннии as-sen-ni-i

    осенняя as-sen-n'uh-juh
    я
    This is how i imagine saying it. -ие -ее the same, whereas the -ии wouldn't have the Y-sound for the last vowel. And the -яя would be the schwa sound of fathEr, with the last vowel a Y-sound to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxmixiv View Post
    They are all different, this is what endings are good for.
    When pronouncing extremely accurately — maybe.
    Please correct my English

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