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    Falling vowels

    As for falling vowels I see "Some masculine nouns having e, ë, o in the last syllable of singular nominative lose it (this vowel) in the declination: И. продав(é)ц, Р. продавцá.
    It is possible to limitate somehow this "some"? Or in every case one must go to the dictionary? Thank you.

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    Re: Falling vowels

    I don't think there is really an exact rule about this. Here's what the Russian Self Teaching Guide has to say:

    "Many nouns of more than one syllable ending in -ец and -ок behave in this way."

    examples:
    отец/отцы
    американец/американцы
    купец/купцы
    конец/концы
    орёл/орлы (obviously not quite the same rule here)
    кусок/куски
    городок/городки
    рисунок/рисунки
    значок/значки
    огонь/огни

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    Re: Falling vowels

    I thought about it and even asked some people around...

    Looks there is no strict rule.

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    Re: Falling vowels

    Thank you. About Russian language everything can be expected . I will copy these words.
    For it-ogo: These insidious questions of foreigners...
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    llega a viejo y lo habla mal
    y aquí lo habla un muchacho' ".
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    gabacho = French (person and language)
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    Re: Falling vowels

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    Re: Falling vowels

    "Many nouns finishing in -ец, -ок". There isn't little; in every book I have seen just says "many nouns having o, e, ë...". Thank you.

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    Re: Falling vowels

    Quote Originally Posted by radomir
    "Many nouns finishing in -ец, -ок". There isn't little; in every book I have seen just says "many nouns having o, e, ë...". Thank you.
    Yes, many of them. But not all of them ( подлец-подлеца, исток-истока...) and not only they (день-дня, сон-сна, козёл-козла...)
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    Re: Falling vowels

    Thank you. In these more common words день, сон I had found quite natural this floating vowel . Looking the words where this vowels don't dissapear it seems that the "rule" is making the pronountiation easier and more fluent, since истóк - истка seems more difficult than истóка. Thanks.

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