Quote Originally Posted by Ramil View Post
But who's going to show to the Germans those 'unpleasant' pictures? No, they will see staged photos of beautiful young people who proclaim 'universal values' and freedom for all people.
Just look at the beginning of this thread, at those photos and videos that I and Lampada posted. It's very educating - a small 'handmade' informational war was going on. The Europeans will see only what Lampada posted and they will probably say that my examples are a forgery of some kind or at least biased.
Oh that's a DIFFERENT Nazi inspired emblem in your pictures! So there are more than one such organisation!

Yes, you can imagine the coverage of this. Everyone that's dead is implicitly Russia's fault somehow... And suddenly this democratically elected government is an evil dictatorship that deserves the rage of the people and the condemnation of the West.

I think these people are insane. Do they realise what real Nazis back in the days would have thought of them? They are spitting on their own history.
The Nazis wanted to steal the land in the USSR and use the people as slave labour because they were "untermenschen". And now they imitate the Nazis?!

So I have no idea what will happen now. Ukraine needed money very urgently as I understood it, and Russia was offering.
So will they now get the cash they need from the EU, USA or IMF instead because they were performed as expected in this coup d'etat?
What's going to happen to Ukraine's economy? I understand there's been a lot of destruction in Kiev and other places.

I used to think it might be nice if Ukraine joined the EU, or got closely involved. But now, after seeing this type of situation I actually don't want it. I certainly don't want my tax money to fund a bunch of Nazis and people who behave like they are puppets on a string and seem to completely lack perspective politically.

I never express strong views here, because I usually think I lack the insights that Russians, Ukranians and others have on these topics and because it's not my business strictly speaking.

But in this case, I think this is IDIOTIC. They could have waited ONE year for the election, and THEN if the election was fradulent, they could have staged this revolution. The majority voted for this president, and all he wanted to do was to postponed EU discussions and receive some extremely badly needed cash from the only country that was offering it. It's supposed to be "Western style " democracy there now, isn't it! Well the name of the game is you cast your vote, you allow them to do their worst for 4-5 years and then you get the opportunity to get rid of them if they failed. You don't have a revolution and smash up the capital just because a decision is taken that some people don't agree with! Particularly not one year before the next election.

Who does this benefit, and is there ANYthing at all to indicate that whoever takes over will be less corrupt or incompetent? Best guess is that this next government will also open up the doors for EU and US multinationals to crush what's left of local Ukrainian business and industry and maybe turn Ukraine into an outsourcing hothouse for the EU. I think Ukrainians are better than that.

The first thing that hit me when I was in Ukraine was how much Western European big brand corporations were there. It was so in-your-face in old historical or Soviet era blocks. Saw plenty of Swedish, German, Dutch not to mention American brands That's thousands of Ukrainian jobs lost and extra money wasted that goes straight into the pockets of people in Frankfurt, London and other EU capitals. While competent Ukrainians go without a job or are underpaid and overqualified in some dumbed down job.

I really don't get what motivated these people. I really like Ukraine and wish it the very best, but I just don't understand what they think they are doing.


"Peaceful protesters"