Thread: "Russophobia" and "Russophilia" :)

Originally Posted by 14Russian

PS. Russia is far from neo-Soviet. -> Seriously? LOL! There's Russians in Russia who have written to great extent on this. But, yes, go ahead and tell me your claim. It's amusing.

Russia is imposing it's neo-Soviet framework, Ukraine is not. Yes, Ukraine is probably moving towards a corrupt Western system but that doesn't make it 'neo-Soviet.' You know the difference between our arguments? You're a neo-Soviet apologist and critique the West. I criticize both.

I totally did miss this post.
1. There are also Russians that tried to sell Siberia to the West. See Mikhail Khodorkovsky. If you want to see what I think of Khodorkovsky, look in the toilet because it's also what I think of Pussy Riot.
2. I had some free time so I googled "neo-Soviet". It's a bigoted anti-Russian term.

Neo-Sovietism is a broad term of reference relating both to existing policy decisions in the former Soviet Union and to a small political movement dedicated to reviving the Soviet Union in the modern world. Some commentators claim that current Russian President Vladimir Putin holds many neo-Soviet views, especially concerning law and order and military strategic defence.

Notice how it's used to describe everything in the USSR as being wrong. That's how prejudiced people think. Also, it's being used to diss President Putin. So it's a control statement used for intimidation, not logical debate.
Nobody can say that everything in the USSR was bad... except a political bigot. Imo, it would be a lot more constructive to avoid that term and just discuss individual policy issues.

3. You're right. Ukraine would never be "neo-Soviet" since they want a system controlled by Western puppet oligarchs. But the Ukrainian government has supported some of the most heinous and vicious crimes against it's own people that I've ever heard about. Satan must be a lot like Poroshenko.
Well, nobody's perfect but if I was a Russian and every world leader and every party was running for the Presidency in Russia, I would support Putin 100%. Not because he has "neo-Soviet" views but because he makes Russia proud and strong. Anyone that wants anything less than that for their country has serious problems (imo).

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

if I was a Russian and every world leader and every party was running for the Presidency in Russia, I would support Putin 100%. Not because he has "neo-Soviet" views but because he makes Russia proud and strong.

Недавно один ведущий в известном шоу, где речь шла об Украине, сказал, что ему звонят друзья из Италии и спрашивают: "а нельзя ли договориться, чтобы Путин был у нас президентом?"

Originally Posted by lodka

Недавно один ведущий в известном шоу, где речь шла об Украине, сказал, что ему звонят друзья из Италии и спрашивают: "а нельзя ли договориться, чтобы Путин был у нас президентом?"

И это был ваш шанс, стоило ответить так, "Конечно, но помните, товар обмену и возврату не подлежит" =))

Originally Posted by Eric C.

И это был ваш шанс, стоило ответить так, "Конечно, но помните, товар обмену и возврату не подлежит" =))

Петросян, вы ли это?

Originally Posted by iCake

Петросян, вы ли это?

Сомневаюсь, что ваш тот комик осмелился бы публично рассказать эту шутку в этом контексте. =))

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Сомневаюсь, что ваш тот комик осмелился бы публично рассказать эту шутку в этом контексте. =))

Да никто бы не осмелился, шутка-то мега смешная, я 2 часа из под стола вылезти не мог.

Originally Posted by Alex_krsk

Да никто бы не осмелился, шутка-то мега смешная, я 2 часа из под стола вылезти не мог.

Согласен, некоторые глупости никаким юмором не исправишь, и получаются плоские вещи вроде той.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

I totally did miss this post.
2. I had some free time so I googled "neo-Soviet". It's a bigoted anti-Russian term.

Notice how it's used to describe everything in the USSR as being wrong. That's how prejudiced people think. Also, it's being used to diss President Putin. So it's a control statement used for intimidation, not logical debate.
Nobody can say that everything in the USSR was bad... except a political bigot. Imo, it would be a lot more constructive to avoid that term and just discuss individual policy issues.

3. You're right. Ukraine would never be "neo-Soviet" since they want a system controlled by Western puppet oligarchs. But the Ukrainian government has supported some of the most heinous and vicious crimes against it's own people that I've ever heard about. Satan must be a lot like Poroshenko.
Well, nobody's perfect but if I was a Russian and every world leader and every party was running for the Presidency in Russia, I would support Putin 100%. Not because he has "neo-Soviet" views but because he makes Russia proud and strong. Anyone that wants anything less than that for their country has serious problems (imo).

2. Russian Nationalists who don't like what Putin has done to ethnic Russians use the term often. Those Russians know more than you or I do. I am certain they're more informed than most of the lame arguments in this thread. It's an apt term to describe the current system, policies and regime. So, it's more than appropriate and accurate. It's those who are misled and clueless to whine and complain about the term.

3. Can you wrap your head around the idea that both the Ukraine government and Putin regime could both be in the wrong and bad for both sides? I know that is a brain buster but try it.