Thread: "Russophobia" and "Russophilia" :)

Originally Posted by Alex_krsk

I've never seen any statistics on that but out of my expirience (just the ppl i know who have guns) half of them bought it just cause it's cool to have one others just earn term to qualify for an assault rifle of just like to shoot in shooting clubs. NOONE of them had bought it for selfe defense. And of course there are some hunters.


May be some criminals do possess some . But i'm talking about legal registered guns.

- that was never possible.


It does. And they are much more bigger fancier and richer. there are like 40 of them in my city оружие в Красноярске — 2ГИС
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also you can buy a weapon online Карабин ВПО-140 223Rem and they'll mail it to you

have never met one

they say there are some but i personally don't know anyone of them


I'm personally strrongly asured that a normal person in russia (in america in europe) doesn't need a firearm in his everyday life.
It's more than enough to have some non-lethal weapon.

So based on that, it won't be long until you too have lunatic shooters in schools and shopping precincts.

Originally Posted by Hanna

So based on that, it won't be long until you too have lunatic shooters in schools and shopping precincts.

As soon as government decides it's enough for people to play with their toys the shootings will start.

I can see no reason for weapons to be openly sold to public but money.
All the BS about self defense is just a distraction.
Firearms cause more harm then help.


To use a firearm one should have a strong motivation and be psychologically prepared to kill, otherwise things will go pretty random. And the fewer we have motivated killers with firearms in the society the better.


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PS
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%...D0%B2%D0%B0%29 shooting in school
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%...BE%D0%B2%D0%B5 shooting in office

and there were some others

Imo military service (especially participation in hostilities) is the best injection against stupid desire to have a firearm. But of course lest we all have that kind of vaccination

Originally Posted by SergeMak

Strangely enough is that some of the western countries are ready to accept not just homosexuality, but aggressive propaganda of homosexuality and cannot accept a modest woman in a hijab

That is the wonderful thing about living in the Washington, D.C. area... we are a middle of the road area. We are not really Southern and we are not really Northern. Many people here are diplomats and people come here from other countries and cultures... we are the true definition of the term "melting pot" (a place where different peoples, styles, theories, etc., are mixed together). I guess we have learned to become more accepting and tolerant of others.

Love the first line of this ONE!!!






This is not the high school my girls attended; however, it is in our district.





Today is primary election day in Maryland!!! It is not thought that Ms. Mizeur will win; however, if elected in November, she would be the first out lesbian governor of any state.

That is the wonderful thing about living in the Washington, D.C. area... we are a middle of the road area. We are not really Southern and we are not really Northern. Many people here are diplomats and people come here from other countries and cultures...

Sounds like a nice corner of the USA You've got the best of all worlds by the sounds of it! I remember reading the "Homecoming" series as a child - it takes place in Maryland, very nicely depicted.

Originally Posted by rockzmom

Today is primary election day in Maryland!!! It is not thought that Ms. Mizeur will win; however, if elected in November, she would be the first out lesbian governor of any state.

If I lived in Maryland, I wouldn't want to know about the governor candidate's sexual life and preferences, but about the person's skills and ability to manage the state and its economics. I really don't see how this person being lesbian is going to benefit anyone in the state. I think she should have kept that to herself.

There has already been a Lesbian head of state, btw. Johanna Sigurdardottir in Iceland. I admire her politics a lot - she was great for Iceland at a very difficult time.
I don't think she intended for it to be known that she was lesbian though, it just emerged somehow and people accepted it because she was well liked for other reasons. She brought Iceland out of the banking collapse of 2008 by refusing to be bullied by the IMF or international banks, and also banned striptease clubs.

I don't hate gay people or wish them any ill at all. I just think it's gone too far, when people are forced to travel to work in a gay-flagged bus for a week (happened to me) or Europe votes for somebody to win Eurovision mainly because it's "cool" that the person is a transvestite. Etc. Plus, as a person who calls myself a Christian, I would lose all credibility if I didn't acknowledge what the bible very clearly says about it.

Originally Posted by Hanna

There is a member posting in this thread, who I would say is an almost ludicrous parody of Russophobia.
If there is a fault that a nation or nationality could possibly have, then this member will accuse Russia of it.
Be it alcoholism, rudeness, warmongering, ugliness or electing the wrong president.
He has never said a nice word about Russia, ever in this forum (by all means, prove me wrong if you can).
So I wouldn't worry too much about any comments from this member, or waste my time responding to his accusations.

It's very interesting that one of Snowden's leaks was about members of the CIA and the NSA setting up questionable accounts on the social networks to attempt to control public opinions. Just saying...

Originally Posted by Hanna

So based on that, it won't be long until you too have lunatic shooters in schools and shopping precincts.

I'm psychologically and emotional prepared to kill. I mean, has anyone ever had fresh rabbit roasted over a spit in the forest? That's worth killing for!
I really don't get why anytime guns are mentioned people get all over the home defense and crime issues. There's too many totally legal things that people can use for weapons... if you're not on a hunting trip. To catch wild game you need an accurate rifle.
Btw, we've never had to use a gun for home or self defense... only hunting.

Originally Posted by rockzmom

That is the wonderful thing about living in the Washington, D.C. area... we are a middle of the road area. We are not really Southern and we are not really Northern......

^ That's the flowers. Anyone wanna see the thorns? They're massive.
Btw, DC is definitely North.

Originally Posted by Hanna

If I lived in Maryland, I wouldn't want to know about the governor candidate's sexual life and preferences, but about the person's skills and ability to manage the state and its economics. I really don't see how this person being lesbian is going to benefit anyone in the state.
There has already been a Lesbian head of state, btw. Johanna Sigurdardottir in Iceland. I admire her politics a lot - she was great for Iceland at a very difficult time.
I don't think she intended for it to be known that she was lesbian though, it just emerged somehow and people accepted it because she was well liked for other reasons. She brought Iceland out of the banking collapse of 2008 by refusing to be bullied by the IMF or international banks, and also banned striptease clubs.

It would really help if people voted for politicians in the US instead of actors and celebs. But I really don't see that happening anytime soon. But she probably will win just to prove that gays can be politicians. I mean, that is the whole point of the election, right?

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

Btw, DC is definitely North.

Check your map honey...

Ok what about this then? A typical story about Russia on the BBC. If it's not anti Putin then it's anti USSR story. This one is kind of interesting:

The first Russian copy of Doctor Zhivago by Boris Palsternak, was published by the CIA and distributed to the USSR in 1988 (I'll take a wild guess that it was circulating before that as well, informally).
However, per the BBC it was the CIA that brought this masterpiece to Russia. BBC News - How the CIA secretly published Dr Zhivago

Right or wrong? Any other books you want the CIA to publish for you you, folks?

Have you read the book (I haven't, but I watched the British film with Kiera Knightley...)

The CIA's Doctor Zhivago project was part of a wider effort by the agency to get forbidden novels into Eastern bloc countries, including books by George Orwell, James Joyce, Vladimir Nabokov and Ernest Hemingway.

Sneaky anti-Russia psy-ops tactics, or serves the USSR right for not allowing the books?

As I understand it, this type of stuff still goes on, although slightly a bit more low key. Putin knows it, and has done things like challenge the British council and US "human rights" organisations for the most blatant cases.

Other books printed by the CIA and distributed to Eastern Europe according to the BBC.

• A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man by James Joyce, which is about a young man who questions and rebels against his upbringing
• Animal Farm, described by its author George Orwell as a "satirical tale against Stalin"
• Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell
• The God That Failed - essays by six ex-communist writers who had grown disillusioned with communism
• Pnin by Vladimir Nabokov, which follows a Russian-born professor living in the US

Oh yeah, what a scary monster ready to eat up the glorious socialist society ideals was unveiled --- forbidden novels! Interestingly enough, while people in the U.S. could still read the commie manifesto if they wanted to, people in the USSR had to seek sneaky ways to read Orwell, for instance. He was right, btw, about the year of 1984 in certain areas. And all the freaking tyrants out there should already know that even if they can kill and incarcerate millions of people, they cannot defeat art, creativity and people's will for change, and it's them and their regimes who will be defeated in the end.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

So what does it mean to be an American? More money and tons of freedom to be anything so maybe that's what Americans are... rich anythings.

If everyone is truly happy being who they are, no matter how much they differ, that nation is unconquerable. Collectivists just don't get this. It's people who make up a nation, not the other way around.

Originally Posted by rockzmom

Check your map honey...

I did check my map.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

If everyone is truly happy being who they are, no matter how much they differ, that nation is unconquerable. Collectivists just don't get this. It's people who make up a nation, not the other way around.

Interesting. They couldn't defeat art, creativity and peoples' will for change when Rome fell. That started the Dark Ages...
Btw, Russia is over 1,000 years old and it's still unconquered Russia. So there must be a lot of happy Russians. America is less than 240 years old. I wonder if it will still be here 760 years from now...

People really must have been obsessed with Russia in the 20th century! I really don't get why the CIA spends so much time and money trying to destabilize every country on the planet. And I wonder who's next now that they've destabilized Ukraine...
Btw, the peace talks in the Donbas are breaking down. The separatists shot down a Ukrainian military chopper that was flying over Lugansk. I wonder why Kiev would order a military chopper into Lugansk during a cease-fire. It would be the perfect time for a military strike against more citizens...
Anyway, President Putin says he will use the Russian military if necessary to protect the ethnic-Russians and other civilians in southeastern Ukraine.
Ukrainian cease-fire in peril amid new violence

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Oh yeah, what a scary monster ready to eat up the glorious socialist society ideals was unveiled --- forbidden novels! Interestingly enough, while people in the U.S. could still read the commie manifesto if they wanted to, people in the USSR had to seek sneaky ways to read Orwell, for instance. He was right, btw, about the year of 1984 in certain areas. And all the freaking tyrants out there should already know that even if they can kill and incarcerate millions of people, they cannot defeat art, creativity and people's will for change, and it's them and their regimes who will be defeated in the end.

Wow! How brave it is to struggle against a "monster" that was defeated a quarter of century ago! But let me warn you that while you are revelling in kicking a dead lion a real monster is rising up behind you back. The US army killed about 200 000 civilian people during the 1st war in Iraq and more than a million during the second war. And the people of the US just closed their eyes on that, as well as they don't notice now how the Kievan neo-fascist junta burns civilian people with banned phosphorous bombs, supplied by the US in the South-East regions of Ukraine. It's very convenient to be pleasantly blind and see only those things that please your eyes. But don't have any illusions that this monster will not discard you life as it has already discarded millions of innocent lives all over the world when it sees fit. Remember: the bell tolls for you...

Originally Posted by SergeMak

Wow! How brave it is to struggle against a "monster" that was defeated a quarter of century ago! But let me warn you that while you are revelling in kicking a dead lion a real monster is rising up behind you back. The US army killed about 200 000 civilian people during the 1st war in Iraq and more than a million during the second war. And the people of the US just closed their eyes on that, as well as they don't notice now how the Kievan neo-fascist junta burns civilian people with banned phosphorous bombs, supplied by the US in the South-East regions of Ukraine. It's very convenient to be pleasantly blind and see only those things that please your eyes. But don't have any illusions that this monster will not discard you life as it has already discarded millions of innocent lives all over the world when it sees fit. Remember: the bell tolls for you...

Some propagandist poster here said something about CIA helping people of Eastern Europe get novels banned by their commie regimes, and I had to respond, I just didn't quote the text, but I think it was pretty obvious what I was responding to. My point was that regimes that fight books and writers do not end up well, and that those who do now might want to think of how THAT monster ended to stop making the same mistakes. You're right that I cannot fight something that's already down, and I have no such goal whatsoever.

And you have no doubt my friend, that those giving orders to the media you watch to show how the "evil Ukrainian troops" use "phosphorous bombs" against "civilians" will discard your life just as well, when they think time is right.

Originally Posted by SergeMak

Wow! How brave it is to struggle against a "monster" that was defeated a quarter of century ago! But let me warn you that while you are revelling in kicking a dead lion a real monster is rising up behind you back. The US army killed about 200 000 civilian people during the 1st war in Iraq and more than a million during the second war. And the people of the US just closed their eyes on that, as well as they don't notice now how the Kievan neo-fascist junta burns civilian people with banned phosphorous bombs, supplied by the US in the South-East regions of Ukraine. It's very convenient to be pleasantly blind and see only those things that please your eyes. But don't have any illusions that this monster will not discard you life as it has already discarded millions of innocent lives all over the world when it sees fit. Remember: the bell tolls for you...

-> "as well as they don't notice now how the Kievan neo-fascist junta burns civilian people with banned phosphorous bombs, supplied by the US in the South-East regions of Ukraine. It's very convenient to be pleasantly blind and see only those things that please your eyes. "
You are a troll. Same as the other neo-Soviet posters. Why not just say who you are?

BS about 'neo-fascist' Kiev government is getting old. What is it about them that fits that description? Russia bans publications and has lots of censorship. There's more freedom in Ukraine than in Russia. That might change with the pro-Western EU dictatorship but saying they are 'neo-fascist' CURRENTLY is not just exaggeration, it's utter BS. Russia is a neo-soviet dictatorship right now but do you complain or talk about that? НЕТ! Until then, you are just a hypocrite parroting the same old rhetoric that your Kremlin media dictates to you. Learn to think for yourself, huh?

How appropriate that we get two perfect examples of Russophobes and their opinions following each other in this thread. Since neither poster will own up to a nationality, it's hard to know exactly what has influenced and contributed to their Russophobia, but their comments are so predictable that we can probably guess without too much trouble.
Thank you boys for your contributions.

Originally Posted by Hanna

How appropriate that we get two perfect examples of Russophobes and their opinions following each other in this thread. Since neither poster will own up to a nationality, it's hard to know exactly what has influenced and contributed to their Russophobia, but their comments are so predictable that we can probably guess without too much trouble.
Thank you boys for your contributions.

Ханночка, не надо обзывать участников форума русофобами. Во-первых, это обижает, во-вторых - я уверена, что ты неправа. Я эту тему внимательно не читаю, но к тому, кто не одобряет политику государства или относится критически, это слово не относится, если я значение этого слова правильно понимаю. Это как отождествлять политику с культурой.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

regimes that fight books and writers do not end up well

Yes. In Germany they banned some interesting books of some rather famous polititian. Poor Germany.

And you have no doubt my friend, that those giving orders to the media you watch to show how "evil" Ruaains give orders to the media will discard your life just as well, when they think time is right.

Ханночка, не надо обзывать участников форума русофобами. Во-первых, это обижает, во-вторых - я уверена, что ты неправа. Я эту тему внимательно не читаю, но к тому, кто не одобряет политику государства или относится критически, это слово не относится. Это как отождествлять политику с культурой.

Полностью согласен с модератором, обзывать никого никогда и ни кем нельзя.

(Whereas those ppl use to call Hanna anti-american while she always points out tha she's only anti american government and foreign policy. Но они почему-то замечаний от медораторов не получают)

Originally Posted by SergeMak

Wow! How brave it is to struggle against a "monster" that was defeated a quarter of century ago! But let me warn you that while you are revelling in kicking a dead lion a real monster is rising up behind you back. The US army killed about 200 000 civilian people during the 1st war in Iraq and more than a million during the second war. And the people of the US just closed their eyes on that, as well as they don't notice now how the Kievan neo-fascist junta burns civilian people with banned phosphorous bombs, supplied by the US in the South-East regions of Ukraine. It's very convenient to be pleasantly blind and see only those things that please your eyes. But don't have any illusions that this monster will not discard you life as it has already discarded millions of innocent lives all over the world when it sees fit. Remember: the bell tolls for you...

^ QFT

The Kiev government is a collection of neo-fascists but don't forget, they also never arrested the ones that burned those people alive in the Union building in Odessa. Since my country didn't take any action to denounce the Kiev government then I can only conclude that my government supports burning innocent people alive, shelling civilians, and burning them with phosphorous weapons. Only a monster would support those things. But hey, only a monster woulda supported the shelling of Yugoslavia so there's obviously been a lot of monsters in the White House.

Why are we even discussing book banning? There's a huge list of books that are banned in the US. I think every country bans some books. And don't forget, the only reason the CIA wanted those books in the USSR was to destabilize the country. So maybe all the deaths that happened during the October Revolution weren't enough to get the CIA happy...

Btw, why do I keep seeing things like "neo-Soviet dictatorship" in the threads? It's totally obvious that Russia is a Federation with free elections.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

It's totally obvious that Russia is a Federation with free elections.

That's another issue, I always hear that Putin is a dictator who use fraudolent elections to come to power. But most of ppl i know support him and voted for him.
How come the majority of free ppl (no one still coudn't poit out a freedom that russians do not enjoy and citizens of western "free" countries do) support him and vote for him and he's still a dictator?

Originally Posted by 14Russian

There's more freedom in Ukraine than in Russia.

Have you been there?

Originally Posted by 14Russian

You are a troll. Same as the other neo-Soviet posters. Why not just say who you are?

Originally Posted by Lampada

Ханночка, не надо обзывать участников форума

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