Thread: Occupy Wall Street around the world.... Your thoughts and feelings about it!

Throwing stuff at policemen will not win the heart and minds of most Americans:

Violence Escalates At 'Occupy' Protests In New York City | Fox News

Scott

Originally Posted by fortheether

Throwing stuff at policemen will not win the heart and minds of most Americans:

Violence Escalates At 'Occupy' Protests In New York City | Fox News

Scott

We wanted to shut down business as usual. I think we've done that.

Would it be somewhat criminal if I wanted to shut them down?

Some small businessmen in the area are now protesting the occupiers:

Downtown Workers in NYC Take on 'Occupy' Protesters - Fox News Video - Fox News

Funny sign: "Occupy a Desk!"

Scott

Are these the goals of the occupiers???

Blog: What does Occupy Wall Street Want?

I found some here:

99 Percent Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Liberty Square Blueprint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You folks that support this movement what do you think of these goals?

Scott

Originally Posted by fortheether

Are these the goals of the occupiers???

Blog: What does Occupy Wall Street Want?

Scott

LOLWUT? Is this some kind of a joke?

• Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. Unionize ALL workers immediately.
• Raise the minimum wage immediately to $18/hr. Create a maximum wage of $90/hr to eliminate inequality.
• Institute a 6 hour workday, and 6 weeks of paid vacation.
• Institute a moratorium on all foreclosures and layoffs immediately.
• Repeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws.
• Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.
• Create a single-payer, universal health care system.
• Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.
• Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.
• Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.
• Allow workers to elect their supervisors.
• Lower the retirement age to 55. Increase Social Security benefits.
• Create a 5% annual wealth tax for the very rich.
• Ban the private ownership of land.
• Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.
• Reduce the age of majority to 16.
• Abolish the death penalty and life in prison. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.
• Release all political prisoners immediately.
• Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.
• Abolish the debt limit.
• Ban private gun ownership.
• Strengthen the separation of church and state.
• Immediate debt forgiveness for all.
• End the 'War on Drugs'.

In other words - we do not want to work, let them rich feed us.
I thought better of these clowns. This is ridiculous!

Thank you Russian tax payers for subsidizing a TV channel that reports the reality about these demonstrations, instead of the propaganda version that they are crazy hooligans or lazy hippies.

Originally Posted by Ramil

In other words - we do not want to work, let them rich feed us.
I thought better of these clowns. This is ridiculous!

Look at it from a different perspective:

This is a country that can afford to start neo colonial wars on a bi-annual basis, that is pouring money and aid over corrupt dictatorships and that has filthy rich people who have never worked a day in their lives. It thinks it has a moral right to tell other countries what to do and it uses regular citizens money to save incompetent and corrupt banks and bank directors.

Yet, in this country sick citizens are not guaranteed treatment, a decent education is a class privilege and hundreds of thousands are homeless and millions are living in poverty.

Of course something is wrong! Yes, there are lazy free-riders in this world, but there are also greedy thieves who will stop at no amount of immoral behaviour to stuff their own pockets. Unfortunately America has a lot of such people, and unfortunately these people also have the backing of the US military, police and media.

I think the OWS are right to protest and should continue until the elections in order to try to really make a difference.

If regular Americans finally wake up to the sorry state they've been lead into by banks and corporations, it would be a really good thing.

Originally Posted by Ramil

LOLWUT? Is this some kind of a joke?

• Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. Unionize ALL workers immediately.
• Raise the minimum wage immediately to $18/hr. Create a maximum wage of $90/hr to eliminate inequality.
• Institute a 6 hour workday, and 6 weeks of paid vacation.
• Institute a moratorium on all foreclosures and layoffs immediately.
• Repeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws.
• Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.
• Create a single-payer, universal health care system.
• Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.
• Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.
• Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.
• Allow workers to elect their supervisors.
• Lower the retirement age to 55. Increase Social Security benefits.
• Create a 5% annual wealth tax for the very rich.
• Ban the private ownership of land.
• Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.
• Reduce the age of majority to 16.
• Abolish the death penalty and life in prison. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.
• Release all political prisoners immediately.
• Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.
• Abolish the debt limit.
• Ban private gun ownership.
• Strengthen the separation of church and state.
• Immediate debt forgiveness for all.
• End the 'War on Drugs'.

In other words - we do not want to work, let them rich feed us.
I thought better of these clowns. This is ridiculous!

Welcome to the club bro! xD

I'm glad your eyes are open now.

"Let them rich feed us" - as far as I understand, the "rich" will be those with max salary of $90 an hour. LOL
Which are being planned to be taxed up to 90%. Now do simple math, and finally realize, fellow Americans, all they want is everyone making no more than $40,000 a year ($20 an hour). In fact, they want to take away (basically, steal) YOUR money and YOUR property! Would you sign up for this retarded commie manifesto?

Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. Unionize ALL workers immediately.

Here we have some bolshevik ideologists...

Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US

And a bunch of Spanish speaking comrades. xD

Ban the private ownership of land.
Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.

LOL. Such predictable red comrades.

Ban private gun ownership.

While it's not banned, try tresspassing my lands with some bad intentions and see what happens. xD

Originally Posted by Hanna

Thank you Russian tax payers for subsidizing a TV channel that reports the reality about these demonstrations, instead of the propaganda version that they are crazy hooligans or lazy hippies.











Look at it from a different perspective:

This is a country that can afford to start neo colonial wars on a bi-annual basis, that is pouring money and aid over corrupt dictatorships and that has filthy rich people who have never worked a day in their lives. It thinks it has a moral right to tell other countries what to do and it uses regular citizens money to save incompetent and corrupt banks and bank directors.

Yet, in this country sick citizens are not guaranteed treatment, a decent education is a class privilege and hundreds of thousands are homeless and millions are living in poverty.

Of course something is wrong! Yes, there are lazy free-riders in this world, but there are also greedy thieves who will stop at no amount of immoral behaviour to stuff their own pockets. Unfortunately America has a lot of such people, and unfortunately these people also have the backing of the US military, police and media.

I think the OWS are right to protest and should continue until the elections in order to try to really make a difference.

If regular Americans finally wake up to the sorry state they've been lead into by banks and corporations, it would be a really good thing.

No, America has not been lead into the sorry state it's in by banks and corporations. It is by big government and socialist types that take money from those that earned it and give it to those that have not earned it. They then pass along to their next generation that the government owes them a check. They then keep voting for democrats that do not care about the country but their next election cycle. Yes republicans do it also. I have no problem helping the helpless, I have a problem helping the clueless:

Obama Money - Where Did it Come From? - YouTube

Those people that are waiting for the government to pay their rent and fill up their gas tanks:

Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!! - YouTube

The problem is not Obama - the problem is this is now a country that a majority of people can support someone like Obama. If regular Europeans would open their eyes and see the socialist type governments and policies crumbling all around them and realizing that it won't work - ever. They should stop trying to have the USA follow them. You jumped off the cliff yourself - no we don't want to follow you. If regular Americans would wake up and see what the big government types are shoving down their throats it would be a really good thing. America can get back to the values it had - vote out the big government types - move them out of the way, let America prosper again.

You can go ahead and blame the banks but you'd be ignorant to ignore the government pulling the strings:

Articles: Making Homes Affordable Makes Others Poor

You can go ahead and blame the corporations but how can GE 14 billion and not pay any taxes? The government lets them:

General Electric Paid No Federal Taxes in 2010 - ABC News

You can go ahead and say the occupiers are peaceful and nice (I'm sure some of them are) but the reality is different:

http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/20...-sheet-so-far/



Scott

So you are saying that banks and corporations are innocent and the real problem is that the US is too "socialist".
Well, I really don't know how to comment on that. You and I do not have the same worldview at all. You might as well say that the sun is blue.

But I am intrigued to watch how much violence and censorship is used around this protest.

Had any other country (one that the US does not like) used similar tactics against protesters, then the US would have been talking about human right abuses and unfree media.

You and I do not have the same worldview at all. You might as well say that the sun is blue.

Was it only me who found this self-centered and hypocritical?

http://www.cleanupwashington.org/doc.../RevovDoor.pdf.
Revolving door between the US Government and Industry.
American Policy Center .
Revolving Door: 1,447 Former Government Workers Lobbying For Wall Street | Common Dreams.
Monsanto employees and government regulatory agencies employees are the same people!.
Government-industry revolving door - SourceWatch.
Revolving Regulators: SEC Faces Ethics Challenges with Revolving Door.
And on and on and on and more and more and more. The amount of material about these things is so great that you could never get to the end of it...If you don't know who drives the political machine by now and runs big gov, maybe you never will.

all they want is everyone making no more than $40,000 a year ($20 an hour)

Well - many people in Latvia earn 20$ per day, not per hour...
minimum wage here is about 280$ per month after taxes.
So I would be really glad to be as poor as average 99% american.

Originally Posted by Hanna

So you are saying that banks and corporations are innocent and the real problem is that the US is too "socialist".
Well, I really don't know how to comment on that. You and I do not have the same worldview at all. You might as well say that the sun is blue.

But I am intrigued to watch how much violence and censorship is used around this protest.

Had any other country (one that the US does not like) used similar tactics against protesters, then the US would have been talking about human right abuses and unfree media.

No, actually you would be saying that the sun is blue. From your posts here is seems that you have a very left winged view. That's fine, but I don't understand it at all. I am a proud American conservative. You can still believe the left wing media's misinformation about conservatives all that you want but the reality is different. As for your questions, did you read the links? If a bank is forced by the government to give mortgages to people that can't afford mortgages, how is it the banks fault? The USA now has a lot of people that feel they don't have to earn a living but can live off of the government. There is no Obama or any other politician "stash" of money - It is mine and my follow Americans that work, hard earned money. Liberal/socialists believe they can spend my money for the benefit of their careers and I am tired of it. I hope most of my fellow Americans agree and wipe these slime bags out of office and replace them with fiscal conservatives. Yes like Ronald Reagan. This in my opinion is what America needs.

Scott

Originally Posted by fortheether

It is mine and my follow Americans that work, hard earned money. Liberal/socialists believe they can spend my money for the benefit of their careers and I am tired of it. I hope most of my fellow Americans agree and wipe these slime bags out of office and replace them with fiscal conservatives. Yes like Ronald Reagan. This in my opinion is what America needs.
Scott

Just don't forget that this may come with increased social inequality, higher criminal rate and no social protection (like pension)
Balance is the key

Originally Posted by Doomer

Just don't forget that this may come with increased social inequality, higher criminal rate and no social protection (like pension)
Balance is the key

Wiping away the slime bags will cause all that? I don't think so.

Scott

Originally Posted by fortheether

Wiping away the slime bags will cause all that? I don't think so.

Scott

Having right radicals in government will cause that

Just don't forget that this may come with increased social inequality, higher criminal rate and no social protection (like pension)
Balance is the key

So - I - working man - should pay some bum that does not want to work, otherwise he will steal my bike or rob my apartment?

Originally Posted by nulle

So - I - working man - should pay some bum that does not want to work, otherwise he will steal my bike or rob my apartment?

Don't tell me that this is a surprise for you
Don't tell me that you don't do that now - you paying 25% (min) to Latvian government as taxes and it's up to them what to do with your taxes, Latvia as not ultra right it's very liberal