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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer View Post
    Also there are some countries having external debt much higher than GDP, meaning that business there is practically owned by other countries and Sweden for example is one of them (external debt of Sweden is 1.87 times higher than GDP of Sweden). Do you feel bad living in that country Hanna?
    II actually think you have the wrong figure there, because I have heard something else but I can't be fussed to look it up. Regardless, I don't feel TERRIBLY bad, there are lots worse countries to live in. But this country has been going downhill, mark my words! When I grew up we were constantly told that we lived in the best welfare state and one of the fairest and most caring countries in the world. (pride cometh before fall... lol) But it was largely true. Now, it is not really better than anywhere else in Northern Europe and some of the old welfare institutions are a hinderance rather than helping people. Tons of publically owned institutions and organisations were sold off and their services have become worse, but more expensive. Trains being the best example. There are even private schools and nursing homes that are allowed to make a profit and take the profit out of the country. Not even the UK allows that.

    Back on topic:

    As for the economic situation not being noticeable in the country affected, of course it is!

    That's why people migrate. That's why there is unemployment. This type of thing happend in Ireland a few years ago, and also in Iceland. Young people are leaving both these countries in droves... the most resourceful people that is. They cannot get a job at home, or they do not get the level of salary that they want. London is absolutely swarmed with Irish people, and similarly Icelandic people go to Scandinavia. Something like this also happened in Latvia, and despite it being a very small country, I have run into lots of Latvians in London, in Stockholm.

    Greek people have already started migrating to Italy, the UK or anywhere really within the EU where they feel there are better opportunities for them.

    Within the EU you can move anywhere you want, as long as you can handle the language situation and get a job. Most educated people speak at least one foreign language fluently; English or the language of a large neighbouring country. So that's how people migrate.

    In the USA, I guess there is nowhere to migrate, since it is so big, there is no obvious neighbouring country to move to and people don't speak foreign languages in general. I suppose people will move to the more viable areas rather than staying in smaller cities.

    But don't be so naive to think that there will continue to be lots of well paid jobs available, cheap housing and affordable clothes and gadgets. Gradually your living standard will reduce with the currently outlook.
    Or it could take a nose dive if the dollar falls (not unlikely) or the Chinese decide to allow their currency to float.

    Take an office clerk in the US and compare it with an office clerk in China.
    Is there some built-in law of the universe that says that the Chinese person should live in a crummy small flat, riding a bike to work, while the American should live in a house and drive a car... just for starters, despite the fact that they are doing the same job and there is no difference in skill or efficiency.

    China is able to invest in infrastructure, education, hospitals etc now. They are building all the insitututions that makes a country great and influential. They are creating relationships in the third world based on trading and bartering skills for resources (as opposed to waging wars, placing military bases there, infiltration of spies and manipulation of foreign governments).

    Their country is run by a party that hand picks the elite from the top universities to form its' economic and foreign policies.
    They are not distracted by elections or undue media scrutiny (for better or worse), and they are not hugely influenced by lobbyists apart from fairly obvious practice of bribing officials - something they are trying to stamp out.

    They are running their country in a focussed way, with one goal - to get to the top, and take the people with them (at least eventually)

    Meanwhile the USA is run from behind the facade of "democracy" by bankers and large corporations that have no long term vision other than the next bonus or dividient payout. These interests don't care about the citizens, about the reputation of the country or about acting ethically in anyway. Things that it indignantly accuses its opponents of doing, it is doing itself in the open or behind the scene. It has become a hypocritical country in the extreme, whereas China as a comparison has never made any claims to being democratic or having a "human rights" focus, whatever this might mean.

    Don't get me wrong, I am not idolozing China, in fact I don't even like China. Nor am I speaking from any position of superior knowledge.

    But I think it's more honest towards the world and its own citizens about what it's about and what it's trying to achieve.
    It is run in a more focussed way that will ultimately benefit its citizens a lot more.

    In the US, the huge wealth that still exists does not benefit the majority and shortly as the dollar starts dropping, it will find its way to safer currencies , in offshore destinations where it will do absolutely no good to the Americans that generated it.

    You will be left with a huge military empire, no industry lead in any sector and a population who has lost its way.
    Perhaps a bit similar to what happened in Russia in the 1990s.

    Military might will be all that the US has left as leverage externally. And internally, the only way for the current elites to stay in power will be to restrict democracy even further, or find some excuse to stop it altogether. Since all big media in America is in the hands of these exact elites it shouldn't be hard to sell some propaganda to the people to get them to accept it.

    This is how I think things will develop in the USA unless you wake up and do something now.
    Like elect a completely new party to power, that is not corrupted by influence from lobbyists. Stop all wars immediately and focus on building up industry and improving education within the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post

    As for the economic situation not being noticeable in the country affected, of course it is!

    That's why people migrate. That's why there is unemployment. This type of thing happend in Ireland a few years ago, and also in Iceland. Young people are leaving both these countries in droves... the most resourceful people that is. They cannot get a job at home, or they do not get the level of salary that they want. London is absolutely swarmed with Irish people, and similarly Icelandic people go to Scandinavia. Something like this also happened in Latvia, and despite it being a very small country, I have run into lots of Latvians in London, in Stockholm.
    People move to a better place
    It is not a surprise for me

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    This is how I think things will develop in the USA unless you wake up and do something now.
    Like elect a completely new party to power, that is not corrupted by influence from lobbyists. Stop all wars immediately and focus on building up industry and improving education within the country.
    Good words
    You can probably point to the money source to change all that to greater good
    The bigger the economy the slower the changes
    As for wars - I don't support wars but you probably know that
    «Чтобы удержать революцию, нам нужна маленькая победоносная война»
    Wars already become a tool to keep crowd on a leash
    I like this saying from a good movie
    "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."
    And a war "for democracy" is "good way" to keep people from asking questions about politics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer View Post
    As for wars - I don't support wars but you probably know that
    «Чтобы удержать революцию, нам нужна маленькая победоносная война»
    Wars already become a tool to keep crowd on a leash
    The person who said this was killed shortly after that. And that little victorious war turned out to be a disaster.
    My point is - wars can get out of hand sometimes.
    Send me a PM if you need me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil View Post
    My point is - wars can get out of hand sometimes.
    As I said - I don't support wars but "пипл хавает"

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    The vail is starting to come off...

    Cornel West: Ultimate Fight For Entitlements Will Be In "The Streets" | RealClearPolitics

    Let's work on fixing that "wealth inequality" issue by those with less wealth THAT ARE ABLE to EARN more wealth. Not take it away from others like most likely they want to.

    Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    II actually think you have the wrong figure there, because I have heard something else but I can't be fussed to look it up. Regardless, I don't feel TERRIBLY bad, there are lots worse countries to live in. But this country has been going downhill, mark my words! When I grew up we were constantly told that we lived in the best welfare state and one of the fairest and most caring countries in the world. (pride cometh before fall... lol) But it was largely true. Now, it is not really better than anywhere else in Northern Europe and some of the old welfare institutions are a hinderance rather than helping people. Tons of publically owned institutions and organisations were sold off and their services have become worse, but more expensive. Trains being the best example. There are even private schools and nursing homes that are allowed to make a profit and take the profit out of the country. Not even the UK allows that.

    Back on topic:

    As for the economic situation not being noticeable in the country affected, of course it is!

    That's why people migrate. That's why there is unemployment. This type of thing happend in Ireland a few years ago, and also in Iceland. Young people are leaving both these countries in droves... the most resourceful people that is. They cannot get a job at home, or they do not get the level of salary that they want. London is absolutely swarmed with Irish people, and similarly Icelandic people go to Scandinavia. Something like this also happened in Latvia, and despite it being a very small country, I have run into lots of Latvians in London, in Stockholm.

    Greek people have already started migrating to Italy, the UK or anywhere really within the EU where they feel there are better opportunities for them.

    Within the EU you can move anywhere you want, as long as you can handle the language situation and get a job. Most educated people speak at least one foreign language fluently; English or the language of a large neighbouring country. So that's how people migrate.

    In the USA, I guess there is nowhere to migrate, since it is so big, there is no obvious neighbouring country to move to and people don't speak foreign languages in general. I suppose people will move to the more viable areas rather than staying in smaller cities.

    But don't be so naive to think that there will continue to be lots of well paid jobs available, cheap housing and affordable clothes and gadgets. Gradually your living standard will reduce with the currently outlook.
    Or it could take a nose dive if the dollar falls (not unlikely) or the Chinese decide to allow their currency to float.

    Take an office clerk in the US and compare it with an office clerk in China.
    Is there some built-in law of the universe that says that the Chinese person should live in a crummy small flat, riding a bike to work, while the American should live in a house and drive a car... just for starters, despite the fact that they are doing the same job and there is no difference in skill or efficiency.

    China is able to invest in infrastructure, education, hospitals etc now. They are building all the insitututions that makes a country great and influential. They are creating relationships in the third world based on trading and bartering skills for resources (as opposed to waging wars, placing military bases there, infiltration of spies and manipulation of foreign governments).

    Their country is run by a party that hand picks the elite from the top universities to form its' economic and foreign policies.
    They are not distracted by elections or undue media scrutiny (for better or worse), and they are not hugely influenced by lobbyists apart from fairly obvious practice of bribing officials - something they are trying to stamp out.

    They are running their country in a focussed way, with one goal - to get to the top, and take the people with them (at least eventually)

    Meanwhile the USA is run from behind the facade of "democracy" by bankers and large corporations that have no long term vision other than the next bonus or dividient payout. These interests don't care about the citizens, about the reputation of the country or about acting ethically in anyway. Things that it indignantly accuses its opponents of doing, it is doing itself in the open or behind the scene. It has become a hypocritical country in the extreme, whereas China as a comparison has never made any claims to being democratic or having a "human rights" focus, whatever this might mean.

    Don't get me wrong, I am not idolozing China, in fact I don't even like China. Nor am I speaking from any position of superior knowledge.

    But I think it's more honest towards the world and its own citizens about what it's about and what it's trying to achieve.
    It is run in a more focussed way that will ultimately benefit its citizens a lot more.

    In the US, the huge wealth that still exists does not benefit the majority and shortly as the dollar starts dropping, it will find its way to safer currencies , in offshore destinations where it will do absolutely no good to the Americans that generated it.

    You will be left with a huge military empire, no industry lead in any sector and a population who has lost its way.
    Perhaps a bit similar to what happened in Russia in the 1990s.

    Military might will be all that the US has left as leverage externally. And internally, the only way for the current elites to stay in power will be to restrict democracy even further, or find some excuse to stop it altogether. Since all big media in America is in the hands of these exact elites it shouldn't be hard to sell some propaganda to the people to get them to accept it.

    This is how I think things will develop in the USA unless you wake up and do something now.
    Like elect a completely new party to power, that is not corrupted by influence from lobbyists. Stop all wars immediately and focus on building up industry and improving education within the country.

    China also gets to ignore pollution problems:

    China's Pollution Data Shrouded In Official Fog | Fox News

    Along with the "little" human rights abuses:

    World Report 2011: China | Human Rights Watch

    This country should be followed by other countries?

    Scott

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    Wall Street reforms?

    Obama Tells 60 Minutes 'Damaging Behavior on Wall Street' Was Legal, Wasn't Asked Who Enacted Such Laws | NewsBusters.org

    When the media doesn't even want to look into why this is happening. At least when a democrat is president.

    Scott

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