Thread: Occupy Wall Street around the world.... Your thoughts and feelings about it!

Are these the goals of the occupiers???

Blog: What does Occupy Wall Street Want?

I found some here:

99 Percent Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Liberty Square Blueprint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You folks that support this movement what do you think of these goals?

Scott

Originally Posted by fortheether

Are these the goals of the occupiers???

Blog: What does Occupy Wall Street Want?

Scott

LOLWUT? Is this some kind of a joke?

• Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. Unionize ALL workers immediately.
• Raise the minimum wage immediately to $18/hr. Create a maximum wage of $90/hr to eliminate inequality.
• Institute a 6 hour workday, and 6 weeks of paid vacation.
• Institute a moratorium on all foreclosures and layoffs immediately.
• Repeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws.
• Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.
• Create a single-payer, universal health care system.
• Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.
• Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.
• Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.
• Allow workers to elect their supervisors.
• Lower the retirement age to 55. Increase Social Security benefits.
• Create a 5% annual wealth tax for the very rich.
• Ban the private ownership of land.
• Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.
• Reduce the age of majority to 16.
• Abolish the death penalty and life in prison. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.
• Release all political prisoners immediately.
• Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.
• Abolish the debt limit.
• Ban private gun ownership.
• Strengthen the separation of church and state.
• Immediate debt forgiveness for all.
• End the 'War on Drugs'.

In other words - we do not want to work, let them rich feed us.
I thought better of these clowns. This is ridiculous!

Thank you Russian tax payers for subsidizing a TV channel that reports the reality about these demonstrations, instead of the propaganda version that they are crazy hooligans or lazy hippies.

Originally Posted by Ramil

In other words - we do not want to work, let them rich feed us.
I thought better of these clowns. This is ridiculous!

Look at it from a different perspective:

This is a country that can afford to start neo colonial wars on a bi-annual basis, that is pouring money and aid over corrupt dictatorships and that has filthy rich people who have never worked a day in their lives. It thinks it has a moral right to tell other countries what to do and it uses regular citizens money to save incompetent and corrupt banks and bank directors.

Yet, in this country sick citizens are not guaranteed treatment, a decent education is a class privilege and hundreds of thousands are homeless and millions are living in poverty.

Of course something is wrong! Yes, there are lazy free-riders in this world, but there are also greedy thieves who will stop at no amount of immoral behaviour to stuff their own pockets. Unfortunately America has a lot of such people, and unfortunately these people also have the backing of the US military, police and media.

I think the OWS are right to protest and should continue until the elections in order to try to really make a difference.

If regular Americans finally wake up to the sorry state they've been lead into by banks and corporations, it would be a really good thing.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Thank you Russian tax payers for subsidizing a TV channel that reports the reality about these demonstrations, instead of the propaganda version that they are crazy hooligans or lazy hippies.











Look at it from a different perspective:

This is a country that can afford to start neo colonial wars on a bi-annual basis, that is pouring money and aid over corrupt dictatorships and that has filthy rich people who have never worked a day in their lives. It thinks it has a moral right to tell other countries what to do and it uses regular citizens money to save incompetent and corrupt banks and bank directors.

Yet, in this country sick citizens are not guaranteed treatment, a decent education is a class privilege and hundreds of thousands are homeless and millions are living in poverty.

Of course something is wrong! Yes, there are lazy free-riders in this world, but there are also greedy thieves who will stop at no amount of immoral behaviour to stuff their own pockets. Unfortunately America has a lot of such people, and unfortunately these people also have the backing of the US military, police and media.

I think the OWS are right to protest and should continue until the elections in order to try to really make a difference.

If regular Americans finally wake up to the sorry state they've been lead into by banks and corporations, it would be a really good thing.

No, America has not been lead into the sorry state it's in by banks and corporations. It is by big government and socialist types that take money from those that earned it and give it to those that have not earned it. They then pass along to their next generation that the government owes them a check. They then keep voting for democrats that do not care about the country but their next election cycle. Yes republicans do it also. I have no problem helping the helpless, I have a problem helping the clueless:

Obama Money - Where Did it Come From? - YouTube

Those people that are waiting for the government to pay their rent and fill up their gas tanks:

Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!! - YouTube

The problem is not Obama - the problem is this is now a country that a majority of people can support someone like Obama. If regular Europeans would open their eyes and see the socialist type governments and policies crumbling all around them and realizing that it won't work - ever. They should stop trying to have the USA follow them. You jumped off the cliff yourself - no we don't want to follow you. If regular Americans would wake up and see what the big government types are shoving down their throats it would be a really good thing. America can get back to the values it had - vote out the big government types - move them out of the way, let America prosper again.

You can go ahead and blame the banks but you'd be ignorant to ignore the government pulling the strings:

Articles: Making Homes Affordable Makes Others Poor

You can go ahead and blame the corporations but how can GE 14 billion and not pay any taxes? The government lets them:

General Electric Paid No Federal Taxes in 2010 - ABC News

You can go ahead and say the occupiers are peaceful and nice (I'm sure some of them are) but the reality is different:

http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/20...-sheet-so-far/



Scott

So you are saying that banks and corporations are innocent and the real problem is that the US is too "socialist".
Well, I really don't know how to comment on that. You and I do not have the same worldview at all. You might as well say that the sun is blue.

But I am intrigued to watch how much violence and censorship is used around this protest.

Had any other country (one that the US does not like) used similar tactics against protesters, then the US would have been talking about human right abuses and unfree media.

Originally Posted by Hanna

So you are saying that banks and corporations are innocent and the real problem is that the US is too "socialist".
Well, I really don't know how to comment on that. You and I do not have the same worldview at all. You might as well say that the sun is blue.

But I am intrigued to watch how much violence and censorship is used around this protest.

Had any other country (one that the US does not like) used similar tactics against protesters, then the US would have been talking about human right abuses and unfree media.

No, actually you would be saying that the sun is blue. From your posts here is seems that you have a very left winged view. That's fine, but I don't understand it at all. I am a proud American conservative. You can still believe the left wing media's misinformation about conservatives all that you want but the reality is different. As for your questions, did you read the links? If a bank is forced by the government to give mortgages to people that can't afford mortgages, how is it the banks fault? The USA now has a lot of people that feel they don't have to earn a living but can live off of the government. There is no Obama or any other politician "stash" of money - It is mine and my follow Americans that work, hard earned money. Liberal/socialists believe they can spend my money for the benefit of their careers and I am tired of it. I hope most of my fellow Americans agree and wipe these slime bags out of office and replace them with fiscal conservatives. Yes like Ronald Reagan. This in my opinion is what America needs.

Scott

Originally Posted by fortheether

It is mine and my follow Americans that work, hard earned money. Liberal/socialists believe they can spend my money for the benefit of their careers and I am tired of it. I hope most of my fellow Americans agree and wipe these slime bags out of office and replace them with fiscal conservatives. Yes like Ronald Reagan. This in my opinion is what America needs.
Scott

Just don't forget that this may come with increased social inequality, higher criminal rate and no social protection (like pension)
Balance is the key

Originally Posted by fortheether

No, actually you would be saying that the sun is blue. From your posts here is seems that you have a very left winged view. That's fine, but I don't understand it at all. I am a proud American conservative. You can still believe the left wing media's misinformation about conservatives all that you want but the reality is different. As for your questions, did you read the links? If a bank is forced by the government to give mortgages to people that can't afford mortgages, how is it the banks fault? The USA now has a lot of people that feel they don't have to earn a living but can live off of the government. There is no Obama or any other politician "stash" of money - It is mine and my follow Americans that work, hard earned money. Liberal/socialists believe they can spend my money for the benefit of their careers and I am tired of it. I hope most of my fellow Americans agree and wipe these slime bags out of office and replace them with fiscal conservatives. Yes like Ronald Reagan. This in my opinion is what America needs.

Scott

First of all, this view is so terribly warped as to permanently be a fringe view, in fact bordering on the kind of radicalism and extremism we often find at the bottom of terror-bomber's "explanation" letters, those egotistical, arrogant, self-loving, hypocritical, megalomaniacal hogwash lines that betray an obvious distortion of information somewhere between reception and cognition. "The USA now has a lot of people that feel they don't have to earn a living but can live off of the government." This is not merely a poor interpretation of information - it's simply not true! I put it to you to find me a single person who believes that they never need to come across a dime of income in their lives and can live off of the government. If you do find them, it'll be among the Baby Boomers in their hoverround scooters at the back of the repub rallies.

In addition, I'm very disturbed by your ability to associate yourself PERSONALLY with things that you should have the faculty to discuss with a safe separation between political and personal. Liberal americans are not socialists, you've gravely misunderstood that and I'd expect that any of those folks here who were experiencing real SOCIALISM while I was chilling in AZ and you were chilling in NJ, should set you straight about that.

These liberals don't want "your" money. They want to rip up the pavement of the fast-track your whole party has paved right around the difficulties, often insurmountable, the rest of us encounter when we try to "get there" like the repubs did - "all on their own elbow grease" and all that nonsense. And that's gotta be heartbreaking to people who only made it because they were offered that inside track from the repub party. And.. you keep mentioning "left-wing" media.. Maybe you're not aware that the media is owned by the right. Right down from AP to us below-heaven folks. What is left-wing media? Apple commercials? Google ads??

I'm just like you, Scott, a hard working american who earns his own money. But, my concern for where the money goes and what effect it has on the world goes beyond my own pocketbook, right on into the effect it has on the rest of our country. If the guy next to me was starving, I'd give him part of my paycheck to keep him alive. I wouldn't spit in his change cup and call the local constabulary to haul him off to someplace less disturbing to my eye. Sure, I could spend that money on a Kindle and designer sunglasses. But I don't feel so strongly that what's mine is mine, that I should let the guy next to me suffer, so I can live in luxury. That's not "pride." That's "hate" masked as pride.

FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY is a catch-phrase that people are using to hide the unnanounced fact that, when there's not enough to go around, the priveleged will get what they need, and the underpriveleged will be left to free-fall like sandbags off of a heavy hot air balloon. It doesn't mean "small government." It means "government that panders to the priveleged." Don't believe me? Ask me to explain. It sounds deceptively financial when it's really a call to civil war, that "fiscal" line.

There's no harm with entertaining the idea that banks should be made aware of, and responsible for, the shapes they carve into the economy of america, by being huge money-moving entities, that cull the population based on factors they've worked out internally to mean "you can afford this" and "you can't." Give a marble to one brother, none to the other. Do this everyday. At the end of the week these brothers will be fighting over marbles. Blame the boys? Blame the marbles? No, blame the marble-bestower. Simple. Iniquity needs to represent not only the AMBITIONS of a capitalistic country but also the realistic NEEDS of one. If you have Tamiflu when the swine plague crosses over us, but your hired help doesn't, don't be surprised when they drop dead and now you have to pick up your OWN featherduster and do the job that was below you before. Honestly.. share the Tamiflu and you can keep your maids. Satisfy your republican pride by keeping the lion's share of it - YOU CAN STILL KEEP WAY MORE THAN YOU NEED!! - , but not ALL. See how that works? Compromise a little bit, and you can still spend all your energy focused on your own goals.. But keep your subjects alive. The heart of the low-wage american worker is democratic, but they can be fooled into thinking they're republican, for a few years. Religion works wonders for this. Until the real republican leaders who wear ivy league sweaters reveal that they're not looking out for these workers' interests, or even health, at all, but rather as flesh and labor resources.

Reagan almost destroyed the planet in the name of american luxury, american security, american greed, american power. I'd rather NOT have another ronald rayguns in office, and I am one little part of the majority you're hoping will agree with you.

I hope my fellow americans DISagree with you and wipe slime bags like Romney, Limbaugh Reagan and ilk entirely out of the running, so we're not in danger of another planet-destroying, Dubya-esque megalomaniac seeing to it that the best of everything goes to the top 1% and that the 99% are offered a rabbit on a string for dinner, forever to be yanked just out of reach as they run a track drawn out by republican chessmasters designed to keep them working to spin their wheel.

Originally Posted by Ramil

LOLWUT? Is this some kind of a joke?

• Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. Unionize ALL workers immediately.
• Raise the minimum wage immediately to $18/hr. Create a maximum wage of $90/hr to eliminate inequality.
• Institute a 6 hour workday, and 6 weeks of paid vacation.
• Institute a moratorium on all foreclosures and layoffs immediately.
• Repeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws.
• Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.
• Create a single-payer, universal health care system.
• Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.
• Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.
• Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.
• Allow workers to elect their supervisors.
• Lower the retirement age to 55. Increase Social Security benefits.
• Create a 5% annual wealth tax for the very rich.
• Ban the private ownership of land.
• Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.
• Reduce the age of majority to 16.
• Abolish the death penalty and life in prison. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.
• Release all political prisoners immediately.
• Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.
• Abolish the debt limit.
• Ban private gun ownership.
• Strengthen the separation of church and state.
• Immediate debt forgiveness for all.
• End the 'War on Drugs'.

In other words - we do not want to work, let them rich feed us.
I thought better of these clowns. This is ridiculous!

Welcome to the club bro! xD

I'm glad your eyes are open now.

"Let them rich feed us" - as far as I understand, the "rich" will be those with max salary of $90 an hour. LOL
Which are being planned to be taxed up to 90%. Now do simple math, and finally realize, fellow Americans, all they want is everyone making no more than $40,000 a year ($20 an hour). In fact, they want to take away (basically, steal) YOUR money and YOUR property! Would you sign up for this retarded commie manifesto?

Ban the private ownership of land.
Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.

LOL. Such predictable red comrades.

Ban private gun ownership.

While it's not banned, try tresspassing my lands with some bad intentions and see what happens. xD

Originally Posted by Ramil

LOLWUT? Is this some kind of a joke?
In other words - we do not want to work, let them rich feed us.
I thought better of these clowns. This is ridiculous!

Ramil... if someone already responded to you... sorry... but when I read this I too was surprised and took a look at the link. There is now this note:

Admin Note: This is not an official list of demands. The user "bchang1987" who posted this speaks only for themself, not the movement. This website would never in a million years endorse a list of demands of the 1%.

Now... I did come across what IMHO is an interesting blog from a 1% who claims he is also a 99%

Scott might be able to support this one...

What the Occupy Movement Should Demand - Barry Schuler's Synapsis

Originally Posted by rockzmom

Ramil... if someone already responded to you... sorry... but when I read this I too was surprised and took a look at the link. There is now this note:

Now... I did come across what IMHO is an interesting blog from a 1% who claims he is also a 99%

Scott might be able to support this one...

What the Occupy Movement Should Demand - Barry Schuler's Synapsis

Scott absolutely supports what was written. It's an excellent article in my opinion.

Thank you for posting it!

Scott

Originally Posted by rockzmom

Ramil... if someone already responded to you... sorry... but when I read this I too was surprised and took a look at the link. There is now this note:

Now... I did come across what IMHO is an interesting blog from a 1% who claims he is also a 99%

Scott might be able to support this one...

What the Occupy Movement Should Demand - Barry Schuler's Synapsis

Is that what they should be asking for?

The answer is simple and elegant: outlaw “Blame” in the political discourse. We should demand that our politicians only talk to us with proposals and solutions. They should keep the finger pointing and fighting behind closed doors. We don’t need to see the sausage making. If they can’t produce solutions. Vote them out. Forget about party politics, vote for anyone who gets things done.

Is that all? Just stop talking about what prevented you doing anything and talk about how to solve this problem? Is that the recipe of overall well-being for all?
No, this is not. I still cannot see what the protesters are trying to achieve there? What, Obama will come to them and say 'your debts are all forgiven'? This won't happen. They made their point already and that point has been taken as far as I could tell. What's next? America's virtually a bankrupt. All that is holding things together now is people's faith in its economy. Faith only, nothing more. These protests undermine that faith.

Originally Posted by Ramil

LOLWUT? Is this some kind of a joke?

• Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. Unionize ALL workers immediately.
• Raise the minimum wage immediately to $18/hr. Create a maximum wage of $90/hr to eliminate inequality.
• Institute a 6 hour workday, and 6 weeks of paid vacation.
• Institute a moratorium on all foreclosures and layoffs immediately.
• Repeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws.
• Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.
• Create a single-payer, universal health care system.
• Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.
• Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.
• Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.
• Allow workers to elect their supervisors.
• Lower the retirement age to 55. Increase Social Security benefits.
• Create a 5% annual wealth tax for the very rich.
• Ban the private ownership of land.
• Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.
• Reduce the age of majority to 16.
• Abolish the death penalty and life in prison. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.
• Release all political prisoners immediately.
• Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.
• Abolish the debt limit.
• Ban private gun ownership.
• Strengthen the separation of church and state.
• Immediate debt forgiveness for all.
• End the 'War on Drugs'.

In other words - we do not want to work, let them rich feed us.
I thought better of these clowns. This is ridiculous!

From what I read on the website, which I had to find by clicking from the link from the other guys' "blog" about another website - this list was by no means a final, put-this-out-to-the-media-to-represent-us list.. Correct me if I'm wrong or if it's already been pointed out, but..

THIS WAS CLEARLY MARKED UNDER ::
Posted 1 month ago on Oct. 23, 2011, 11:21 p.m. EST by anonymous
This content is user submitted and not an official statement


.. Here's the direct link, без игр:
Forum Post: Proposed list of OWS Demands | OccupyWallSt.org

Likely you'll notice on the third or fourth line, yeah, this was posted by some guy, and was not official.

Hope the deadline on mind-closing hasn't passed yet.