Thread: Demographic dynamics under socialism + tidbits of Putin + related stuff

Originally Posted by 14Russian

I am not criticizing Russia to be malicious but to be constructive.

Looks like you criticizing Russia and Russians because you hate Russia and Russians. Moreover you try to show that you are superior in you thoughts than any Russian on this forum(which is funny to look at).
That's just my opinion.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

But, don't worry, Russia won't be alone in its collapse - although, I believe it will collapse before the United States - harder and faster.

Dare to predict a date? This year, next year, in 10-20 years?

Originally Posted by hddscan

Looks like you criticizing Russia and Russians because you hate Russia and Russians. Moreover you try to show that you are superior in you thoughts than any Russian on this forum(which is funny to look at). That's just my opinion.
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Вместо дискуссии по теме просто можно побольнее персонально задеть участника?
Нет, нельзя. Такие посты неприятно читать всем, поэтому я настоятельно прошу воздерживаться от подобного выражения своего мнения. Переход на личности на этом форуме не допускается.

Originally Posted by hddscan

Looks like you criticizing Russia and Russians because you hate Russia and Russians.

DUKE ORSINO - I know thee well; how dost thou, my good fellow?
CLOWN - Truly, sir, the better for my foes and the worse for my friends.
DUKE ORSINO - Just the contrary; the better for thy friends.
CLOWN - No, sir, the worse.
DUKE ORSINO - How can that be?
CLOWN -
Marry, sir, they praise me and make an ass of me;
now my foes tell me plainly I am an ass: so that by
my foes, sir I profit in the knowledge of myself,
and by my friends, I am abused: so that,
conclusions to be as kisses, if your four negatives
make your two affirmatives why then, the worse for
my friends and the better for my foes.

Twelfth Night; or, What You Will is a comedy by William Shakespeare

Originally Posted by Milanya_

Twelfth Night; or, What You Will is a comedy by William Shakespeare

begs the question, who is the Duke, and who the clown?

Originally Posted by eisenherz

begs the question, who is the Duke, and who the clown?

А вы можете перефразировать свой вопрос? Я что-то не совсем поняла.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Tsk, tsk, Basil. I guess you neo-Soviet Russians 'переход на личности' when you have grasped your last straw and have nothing to respond with. But, insults won't help and it just makes you look bad.

I am not criticizing Russia to be malicious but to be constructive. If you want to be a traitor and support your status quo Putin and support the influx of muslims and foreigners not to mention the drastic economic decline of your country, that's your business, but it's totally irrational regardless of how much brainwashing one has.

Russia's economic misery deepens - Mar. 13, 2015

Western Sanctions And Rising Debts Are Already Strangling The Russian Economy - Forbes

Thursday's papers: Looming economic collapse in Russia, defence plan reaction, Auer cries foul and secret kidney ailments | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi

Russian Economy May Collapse Through War:Schmieding - Bloomberg Business

Russia's economic crisis 'will end Putin regime'.

I know, all are Western sources. So what? I don't need Western sources to reach a conclusion of the inevitable. Russia, more or less, has an economy that is not sustainable so these reports are nothing more than expected and anticipated. The West is only capitalizing on the inevitable here. But, don't worry, Russia won't be alone in its collapse - although, I believe it will collapse before the United States - harder and faster.

Imho, the majority of Russians should be incensed at their government and for being exploited, manipulated, indoctrinated and lied to - but, the approval ratings are still high - so whether 80%, 70% or similar, it's still sad.

Of course, I didn't balance the critique with Russian media sources - I suppose I can come up with some that are not tarnished by Kremlin influence. There's no point to use the Kremlin mouthpieces RT or ITAR-TASS. What for? We already know they will spin everything in a positive way and sugarcoat all of the problems and predictions of a collapse. That doesn't help anybody.

Ok, you got me. I was lying all along. Ok, I'll tell the shocking truth. In reality we all have to pray Putin starting with children in the nursery and finishing the elderly in social security. For refusing to pray - sentence in jail. People can not criticize the government, for criticism - death punishment via fire squad. Putin portrait should be hanged all around, for lack of a portrait - a fine of 100 million rubles, for repeated lack of it - sentence in jail. People are afraid to express their opinion and even talk among themselves. Everyone march in columns and speak only in a whisper, loudly you can only pray Putin. Prisons are overcrowded with people who disagree with the bloody totalitarian regime. Poverty, hunger and devastation everywhere. Everyone should rejoice and praise Putin, or get arrested. Officials live well, police are not allowed to beat them at night. This is the state of affairs in Russia, but Russian state TV never shows any of such things. I'm typing this post under 3 proxies but still afraid to hear footsteps of bloody FSB executioners behind my door. Wait, what is it? Oh no, it can't be...

Originally Posted by Basil77

Ok, you got me. I was lying all along. Ok, I'll tell the shocking truth. In reality we all have to pray Putin starting with children in the nursery and finishing the elderly in social security. For refusing to pray - sentence in jail. People can not criticize the government, for criticism - death punishment via fire squad. Putin portrait should be hanged all around, for lack of a portrait - a fine of 100 million rubles, for repeated lack of it - sentence in jail. People are afraid to express their opinion and even talk among themselves. Everyone march in columns and speak only in a whisper, loudly you can only pray Putin. Prisons are overcrowded with people who disagree with the bloody totalitarian regime. Poverty, hunger and devastation everywhere. Everyone should rejoice and praise Putin, or get arrested. Officials live well, police are not allowed to beat them at night. This is the state of affairs in Russia, but Russian state TV never shows any of such things. I'm typing this post under 3 proxies but still afraid to hear footsteps of bloody FSB executioners behind my door. Wait, what is it? Oh no, it can't be...

Понятно, пытаемся превратить вполне серьёзную дискуссию в саркастический фарс.
В общем, этот топик практически сходит на нет и вскорости может благополучно закрываться.

Originally Posted by Milanya

А вы можете перефразировать свой вопрос? Я что-то не совсем поняла.

@Milanya... nothing serious really... other than observing that the line of separation can be thin indeed - and often purely be based on point of view

Originally Posted by eisenherz

@Milanya... nothing serious really... other than observing that the line of separation can be thin indeed - and often purely be based on point of view

I was just pointing out that sometimes a dose of healthy criticism can be more salutary than a mindless praise. If we do not see the flaws we cannot correct them. Denial is not a healthy state of being. (Just a general observation, not about anything or anyone in particular)

Originally Posted by Lampada

Понятно, пытаемся превратить вполне серьёзную дискуссию в саркастический фарс.

А тут когда-то была серьезная дискуссия?
По-моему эта тема изначально была пропагандой, причем второсортной.

Originally Posted by Basil77

Ok, you got me. I was lying all along. Ok, I'll tell the shocking truth. In reality we all have to pray Putin starting with children in the nursery and finishing the elderly in social security. For refusing to pray - sentence in jail. People can not criticize the government, for criticism - death punishment via fire squad. Putin portrait should be hanged all around, for lack of a portrait - a fine of 100 million rubles, for repeated lack of it - sentence in jail. People are afraid to express their opinion and even talk among themselves. Everyone march in columns and speak only in a whisper, loudly you can only pray Putin. Prisons are overcrowded with people who disagree with the bloody totalitarian regime. Poverty, hunger and devastation everywhere. Everyone should rejoice and praise Putin, or get arrested. Officials live well, police are not allowed to beat them at night. This is the state of affairs in Russia, but Russian state TV never shows any of such things. I'm typing this post under 3 proxies but still afraid to hear footsteps of bloody FSB executioners behind my door. Wait, what is it? Oh no, it can't be...

I believe much of what you said could actually be scaled down to reality. Just look around and try not to lie to yourself. The scariest part is, it seems to be getting worse over time. I would just grin at this post 3 years ago, but not now...

Originally Posted by Lampada

Понятно, пытаемся превратить вполне серьёзную дискуссию в саркастический фарс.
В общем, этот топик практически сходит на нет и вскорости может благополучно закрываться.

Вообще-то доведение позиции оппонента до абсурда как раз и является одним из приёмов ведения серьёзной дискуссии, нет?

Originally Posted by Basil77

Вообще-то доведение позиции оппонента до абсурда как раз и является одним из приёмов ведения серьёзной дискуссии, нет?

Не знаю про "доведения ... до абсурда": я не спорщик, но не верю, что насмешливый, с издёвкой, сарказм - приемлемый в какой-либо дискуссии приём.