Thread: Getting rid of the pseudo-Russian slang here

It is interesting and a bit surprising for me that some russians don't want to stand for slang phrases or "mat", acting like it don't exist and are not used.

It is indeed a very important part of learning the language, and understanding it.

Of course it also matters what you want to use the language for, but if you want to be able to discuss and act with native people, being stricly formal all the time not only makes it harder for you to understand them, it's also a bit awkward.

To conclude, I think that slang words, phrases and their meaning definately should be studied along with "normal" russian, since it's such a big part of the language.

Originally Posted by Fester

It is interesting and a bit surprising for me that some russians don't want to stand for slang phrases or "mat", acting like it don't exist and are not used.

It is a bit surprising for me that some Swedes (note that I wrote Swedes with a capital letter) believe they can know for sure what some Russians can or can not think or do. You are dealing with a large nation comprised of individuals, some of which like slang, some do not, but the most important thing is that you support the idea that slang should not only be included in language apprehension, but be put on the same level with the normal language, if not higher.

Originally Posted by Fester

To conclude, I think that slang words, phrases and their meaning definately should be studied along with "normal" russian, since it's such a big part of the language.

The type of slang that I mentioned above is criminal or criminal-inspired slang, which originated historically in specific areas of Russia and other countries and is not representative of the Russian language. Those criminals came from God knows where (as they group together by trade rather than language or culture) and they contributed a lot to the disgusting lingo of the modern criminal world. If you want to know my opinion, I do not think this language has any connection to the Russian language. It is rather part of the world history of crime. It is a disease easily picked by some uneducated youngsters and, unfortunately, some older Swedes (just kidding). Anyway, this is just my opinion, and I will not go for a war for it. Wars usually start over even less important pretexts, and there are and have been enough wars already, even if we are speaking about Internet holy wars. But I will support any constructive discussion which requires some intellect and good humour.
Getting back to the 'slang' in general, you know Russian is a very conservative language in that respect. If it was not such, it would have lost its case system and other complex aspects long ago. Of course it always had regional dialects and professional lingos e.g. sea terms, etc. But it is very hard to create a slang out of nothing, you need an occupation which this slang will be centered around. And if this occupation is robbery, drug dealing, etc. then I am not interested in such slang be it Russian, Swedish, or Cardassian.

Originally Posted by NextOfKeen

It is a bit surprising for me that some Swedes (note that I wrote Swedes with a capital letter) believe they can know for sure what some Russians can or can not think or do...

-It is surprising that you have issue with almost anyone! I bet you haven't met more than one Swedish person with such attitude, meanwhile you use "some".
But Fester has met some people with your attitude, so please stop sound childish.

Originally Posted by NextOfKeen

...As for accusing me of complaining and being a 'noob' (or 'novice' if you prefer) I lost my login and password and had to re-register, because I had not been to this forum for quite some time. I used to answer some people's question, but back then there were not so many questions about substandard/criminal language...

-Sorry, but i can't find 100% honesty in you. Your join date is: June 26th, 2009. So you are with the same old account. And you just have 10 posts in total. http://masterrussian.net/search.php?searchid=299274
How could you answer some people's question back then?????!

Originally Posted by NextOfKeen

Good to you if you love Russia and Russian language. I hope you could love me as well, on a spiritual level, but I am happy with what I got.

-Good for you. And you have mentioned a nice pipe dream.

Originally Posted by NextOfKeen

...I did what I had to, I created this topic to drive attention to this situation, but the content of this thread belongs to the community, not me, you or moderator. Also, I am not in a position to enforce my opinion, but I am in a position to defend it.

-It would be great if i knew what you mean by "community"!!! But FYI it definitely is under consideration of of our moderator.