Thread: NonRussian films (work in progress)

Speaking of highbrow philosophy - it had never appealed to me in Lem's works. What I praise him for is "The Invincible", which is sci-fi drama, and the series about Ijon Tichy, which is sci-fi comedy/satire. Even if there was philosophy in there, it was delivered directly, through emotions.

I remember the moment in my life when I was genuinely scared that I might actually die from laughter. I was suffocating and helpless, my abs seemed to be about to break. It happened when I was reading one of the Ijon Tichy stories.

Originally Posted by E-learner

Either I'm missing something or you misunderstood me.

Yes, I misunderstood you! I thought that you found NEW subtitles on that site. I did not understand that you took the ones Olya found and reformated them and posted them for me!!! That was VERY kind and helpful!

Originally Posted by E-learner

I suppose, as it is neither definite "yes" nor definite "no", this post is useless.

You could not be further from the truth.....

Originally Posted by Tolstoy

art must create a specific emotional link between artist and audience, one that "infects" the viewer. Thus, real art requires the capacity to unite people via communication (clearness and genuineness are therefore crucial
values). Leo Tolstoy, "What is art?"

Soap box time....

This thread has morphed from where it started; yet, it is now open to almost any discussion on the arts, not just Russian. We have talked about American TV and their numerous double entendres, silent films, books, music, different genres.... we have not even touched photography, paintings, or scuplutres yet! It is now an open thread of thoughts or/questions about the arts (and technology ) and how people view them and how different cultures interpret them.

To me, this thread has united us via communication and ALL of you have educated me and I thank you for that.

End of soap box.

From one of my favourite movies:
'All of these moments are soon lost,like tears in the rain.'
You know it too?

Speaking of sci-fi satire.

I mentioned somewhere on this forum that I was going to read one of Kurt Vonnegut's books and you, rockzmom, hinted politely at the necessity of writing a review. Well, it's not going to be a review. I'm afraid of doing him injustice, really. But I'll write at least something.

I'm grateful to the person who compared, somewhere on the internet, the style of Douglas Adams to the style of Kurt Vonnegut. That was how I, a fan of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", decided to give Vonnegut a try, and I never regretted it, regardless of how much in common they have.

Adams was mostly mild, ironic. Vonnegut was mostly sarcastic, cynical. He was ruthless to mankind in his books. Not everybody will like that. Some people perceive him as a human-hater. I don't. It's just that he thought that something was going wrong in this world of ours and was trying to wake people up to that. I am sure that he included this passage into his book Slaughterhouse-Five exactly with the purpose of explaining his attitude:
"Roland Weary and the scouts were safe in a ditch, and Weary growled at Billy, ''Get out of the road, you dumb motherf*cker.''
The last word was still a novelty in the speech of white people in 1944. It was fresh and astonishing to Billy, who had never f*cked anybody — and it did its job. It woke him up and got him off the road."
It was me who put asterisks there. He wasn't prudish at all.
Or squeamish.
I remember one particularly cynical passage, but I just can't put it here, because without context all the hilarity would be gone and it would turn into something repugnant.

I enjoy reading Vonnegut. Even if there isn't much of a plot in a book. So far, I've read Cat's Cradle, Slaughterhouse-Five, Galapagos, am reading Breakfast of Champions now. It's not that they are without weaknesses, but I enjoyed all of them. Vonnegut's just "my" kind of author, I suppose. Maybe even more so then Douglas Adams.

Originally Posted by GreenLarry

From one of my favourite movies:
'All of these moments are soon lost,like tears in the rain.'
You know it too?

Howdy Larry Green! Welcome to the thread and for selecting one of my favorite actors... see below after your Tears in the Rain clip for why...

[video:27691bwr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_saUN4j7Gw[/video:27691bwr]

I am very partial to Harrison Ford. I remember seeing "Star Wars" as a kid and "Raiders of the Lost Ark" (saw it twice in one day! Karen Allen is from my hometown) both when they still had the larger screen movie theaters. "Witness" was special as we live so close to Amish country and "Working Girl" I would always watch the night before I would start a new job. Also, his mom is Russian!

As a child and teenager I simply detested reading. I clearly remember three books which turned me off reading for a good number of years:

J. D. Salinger’s, “Catcher in the Rye” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Catcher_in_the_Rye
John Steinbeck’s, “The Grapes of Wrath” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grapes_of_Wrath
John Irving's, “The World According to Garp” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wor...ording_to_Garp

I guess this is why I now read all of the books the girls need to read for school and the ones they read for pleasure as well.

Two of the books they HAD to read for school were just a bear to get through!
One, a Sci-fi book, by Nancy Farmer, “The Ear, the Eye and the Arm”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ear...ye_and_the_Arm and the other a true historical account by Betty Baker, “Walk the World’s Rim”

One of my favorite cartoons, I often use quotes from it (with English subs):

Episode 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqdiEUp6s4E

Episode 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qam9JBk5Oig

Episode 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73uIn56G1YE (part I)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtVVRuy1T9c (part II)

Originally Posted by Basil77

One of my favorite cartoons, I often use quotes from it

Basil! Thank you sooooo much for posting these

They are sooooooo very different from the American versions! We both agree that we like the cuddly characters of our versions...

... yet we like the Russian stories, songs and voices better!

BTW.. could not believe the "Damn" in the English subtitles of Part 3, part 1. What was the word in the Russian version?

I must also admit, I relate WAY too much with "your" Eeyore and of course the sawdust in my head of Winnie as well!!!

So, what are these quotes you often use???

Originally Posted by rockzmom

[They are sooooooo very different from the American versions! We both agree that we like the cuddly characters of our versions...
... yet we like the Russian stories, songs and voices better!

Telling the truth, the original stories are British, by Alexander Miln . This cartoon was released in 1959, couple of years later than Disney's one, but director of it, Fyodor Hitruk didn't see the Disney's version when he made this one. I grew up with these cartoons and with Miln's book and saw the Disney's Pooh only at the early 90th, then I was rather grown up. Of course Disney's version is very qualitative, but IMHO Disney's Pooh is too "sweet", if you understand what I mean. Miln's Pooh is a little varmint, maybe even a little greedy and egoistic and I think that Hitruk's Pooh is exactly the same. Besides I like the children-drowings-style-background. My six years old son can watch American Winnie-the-Pooh series by hours, but when I ask him: "Which Winnie-the-Pooh you like better?", he answers: "Of course "our's", it's much more fun!"

could not believe the "Damn" in the English subtitles of Part 3, part 1. What was the word in the Russian version?

You mean at 3:40? Eeyore said: "Всем наплевать", that means: "Nobody cares", I have no idea why the subtitle maker translated this as "Nobody gives a damn" . And if you want underline translation of this idioma it's something like : "Everybody are spitting on this matter".

So, what are these quotes you often use??

I know by heart almost the entire lines but my favorite are: "Тяни, Пятачок!" / "Pull, Piglet" (when I'm pulling something ), "Это ЖЖ неспроста!" / "This BUZZ is not without a reason", "И того и другого , и можно без хлеба" / "Both of them, and you can skip the bread" and "Всё потому, что кто-то слишком много ест!" / "It's all because someone eats too much!"

Oh! The Soviet version of Winnie the Pooh! Yes, it's a great cartoon! I do love it.
My son often watches it, and though he doesn't speak Russian, he quotes the cartoon successfully. Once he made a scene - he got stuck between the sofa and the wall and started to cry in Russian: "Помогите, помогите! Пятачок, я застрял!" ( Help! Help! Piglet, I got stuck!)

Oh, I love the Soviet Winnie the Pooh! Especially "Winnie the Pooh goes visiting" .

Another cartoon I really like is "There once was a dog". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcM3aXn7LZ4 (with English subtitles)

Originally Posted by devochka

"There once was a dog".

I love this cartoon! My favorite quote from it: "Щас спою!" (I'm gonna sing!)

Originally Posted by Basil77

Originally Posted by devochka

"There once was a dog".

I love this cartoon! My favorite quote from it: "Щас спою!" (I'm gonna sing!)

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Вот бы ещё слова этих песен найти.

Lampada, you link reminds me of another very often quoteable cartoon series! I'll repost them here, with your permission, with english subs for Rockzmom:

Episode 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOebKn_WhI0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hnPSSnS1g0

Unfortunately, I've found only first episode with English subs on Youtube. My favorite and most quoteable is the 3rd one, Winter in Prostokvashino.

All that talk about Winnie-the-Pooh reminded me of Evgeniy Leonov (who was doing Winnie-the-Pooh) and subsequently of a great film with him playing the lead, one of the leads anyway. It's "Старший сын" ("Starshiy syn", "Elder Son"). To my deepest regret, I couldn't find any subtitles, but it's on youtube for anybody who understand Russian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td346XD_ ... r_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtIGd92Wdsg&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpeZ1qwHtYA&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmnStKNQldw&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh2Hqb-mC7w&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CrdiTzg_hU&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWHd29paO-Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhen_Wbq ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3S3lpWF ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPIhMy1m ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEDSwhjC ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En9YTBms ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t2tReia ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVKR9uGH ... re=related

Thanks for all the cartoons. They are great and I want to get back to them in a few. I see now where "Matroskin Kot" comes from!!! I am downloading that one for us to watch on the TV.

I want to talk get back to "The Very Same Munchhausen" for few minutes or postings.

I NEED HELP!!!! pleassseeee....

I was doing just fine understand and enjoying this movie right up until the time they found him guity.

I understand they arrested him so that the ex-wife could keep her little business going and make money off his death and all and if he came back to life that would ruin it all. What I don't get was everything after that. Okay so they found him guilty of impersonating the Baron; but, his entire speech and the way the people behaved... mind head hurts just trying to remember it now. Was the Baron the sane one and everyone else crazy? :fool"

Also, Marta, can I personally take a 2x4 and slap it upside her head for leaving him?

Oh, and I was VERY upset at the thought that he killed himself

AND to learn that Oleg Yankovskiy recently died. I had to Google his name as he look vaguely familiar. He had such a wonderful expressionistic face and voice that carried the tone of the words and his timing for delivering his lines, OMG! Perfect! Even though I don't understand Russian, I was amazed and drawn in. I had recalled the face when I saw the first part of Munchhausen and thought, no.. could it be the same man? And it was, it turned out I had seen him in the movie "The Man Who Cried."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5giSZmHF8e4

I apologize for going off topic but Rockzmom, where does the expression "2x4" come from? I understand it and have often heard it but when I try to picture it, my mind draws a blanc. Could you please enlighten me?

Originally Posted by devochka

I apologize for going off topic but Rockzmom, where does the expression "2x4" come from? I understand it and have often heard it but when I try to picture it, my mind draws a blanc. Could you please enlighten me?

THERE IS NO OFF TOPIC IN THIS FORUM!!!

A 2x4 is a piece of lumber (wood) that is used in construction.

Each piece is a 2"x4" (38 x 89 mm) height and width and then in length of like 8 feet (2.4384 meters) or 10 feet (3.048 meters)

Here are piles or stacks of them.

On Comcast On-Demand free this month: Баллада о солдате (Soviet Union: Russian title) aka Ballad of a Soldier (USA). Russian, English subtitles. Good movie, but ultimately depressing.
Zhanna Prokhorenko (music) Жанна

Originally Posted by rockzmom

Originally Posted by devochka

I apologize for going off topic but Rockzmom, where does the expression "2x4" come from? I understand it and have often heard it but when I try to picture it, my mind draws a blanc. Could you please enlighten me?

THERE IS NO OFF TOPIC IN THIS FORUM!!!

A 2x4 is a piece of lumber (wood) that is used in construction.

Each piece is a 2"x4" (38 x 89 mm) height and width and then in length of like 8 feet (2.4384 meters) or 10 feet (3.048 meters)

Here are piles or stacks of them.

Thanks Rockzmom! I didn't realize the 2"x4" was only referring to height and widt and that there was another 8 or 10 feet of wood coming. I always thought: "such a small piece, you would have to hit really hard to make it hurt"