Thread: Israel-Lebanon conflict

First off all we should seperate muslims from hezbollah.Hezbollah is on the extreme point.I'm a muslim,and my perception of Islam is totally different from them.And also most of muslims in Turkey agree with me.

[quote=Kamion]

Originally Posted by Mordan

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Why is it sad if you don't give a flying f***?

Time to be a little less selfish, Mordanchik!

it is sad because

1) it shows people are uneducated and are lacking common sense
2) the news feed themselves on emotional stuff, bad events, negative energy. I hate it. It does not bring good waves and helps making this world like it is today.

But if the media informs the public that there are many heat-related deaths at the moment, than people can exercise extra caution. You can

Originally Posted by SummerKiss

Hundreds of innocent people die in both countries but it seems that world leaders are not going to stop their geopolitical games and will continue that cruel bloodshed.

With whom are you? Whould be interesting to know all kinds of opinion.

There really should be change in the Middle East. I'm tired of hearing about bombings and shootings happening on the news. Why couldn't everyone just live in peace? It's way easier. But no, people are too greedy and selfish to realize it.

today there was a interesting article at lenta.ru..."ixbt.com was hacked by Arabian hackers" http://www.lenta.ru/news/2006/07/28/hack/
But later, owners of "ixbt" said, what "it was only joke"...i`m not sure in it, thought...

Originally Posted by Kim_2320

Originally Posted by SummerKiss

Hundreds of innocent people die in both countries but it seems that world leaders are not going to stop their geopolitical games and will continue that cruel bloodshed.

With whom are you? Whould be interesting to know all kinds of opinion.

There really should be change in the Middle East. I'm tired of hearing about bombings and shootings happening on the news. Why couldn't everyone just live in peace? It's way easier. But no, people are too greedy and selfish to realize it.

Conflict is necessary to keep arabs in a "stone-age" without industry, technologies and power. Nobody in the West really wants solid and developed Middle East on the world map.
That's where Israel fits - that's the "splinter" in the ass unable to be torn out and nagging constantly. This it the instrument using which one coudld really keep arabs under control.
Policy is fun, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Kim_2320

Originally Posted by SummerKiss

Hundreds of innocent people die in both countries but it seems that world leaders are not going to stop their geopolitical games and will continue that cruel bloodshed.

With whom are you? Whould be interesting to know all kinds of opinion.

There really should be change in the Middle East. I'm tired of hearing about bombings and shootings happening on the news. Why couldn't everyone just live in peace? It's way easier. But no, people are too greedy and selfish to realize it.

Because people are fighting not for those kidnapped soldiers and even not with terrorism, they are fighting for land and authority in the region.

Moreover, if Israel wants just to protect itself from Hezbolluh terrorists why the hell they bombed the only one international airport, roads, bridges and fuel reservoirs that led to the ecological disaster in Lebanon!!???!!!

And finally, this is not the question of religion. 40% of lebanese are chrisitian.

Oh Summerkiss, so pretty but knows nothing of war!

In war they bomb the all the things that tie their enemy to their friends and supply lines. That means, in this case, bridges and roads that lead to Syria or reinforcements, communications systems and yes, even airports.

Anyway, my dear, what did you come here to MR for? To start all this trouble.....Hmmm? Perhaps you are a spy sent by another Russian language site in order to stir up trouble with the peaceful citizens of MasterRussian......hmmm.!!!????

I mean i haven't seen her make a post related to Russian language yet!!!! .......oh well!

Originally Posted by Mordan

300 people died drowning on the beaches of France since June. (http://www.lefigaro.fr/france/20060728. ... etant.html) . Where is the public outcry for this horrible statistic? Why don't you care for those poor people who died a terrible death drowning the salty water???

It is not that I don't care about people. I'm trying to give you the intuition to understand why I don't care.

There's nothing revelatory about this observation. Tens of thousands of people die in car accidents every year, people are murdered, raped and tortured every day somewhere in the world. Just because we know this, is no justification for becoming desensitized or indifferent to images or reports of human suffering in places like Lebanon, or elsewhere. Yes, human life is cheap in this world, it's snuffed out without a thought every minute of every day but if we become totally indifferent to it, then we cease to be fully human and become more like the leaders and governments that perpetuate these conflicts for their own selfish ends. It should stop us from becoming overemotional or too carried away with our response and maintain a perspective on things, but not indifferent and unmoved.

Originally Posted by Mordan

Lebaneses played with fire harboring terrorists. Now it is payback time.

Lebanon has only recently escaped the control of Syria and still remains in its shadow to a large degree. It's also an ethnically diverse country. The Lebanese army is weaker and less well-equipped than Hezbollah. To think you can just bomb Lebanon into taking on Hezbollah is crazy. You're more likely to boost support for them (while the bombing campaign is in progress anyway). If this was a more homogeneous and powerful state like Egypt that was harbouring Hezbollah, then perhaps Israel's approach to the conflict might make a bit more sense.

В том случае, если человек, которого ты ненавидишь, украл у тебя перо, ты избил бы его насмерть?

I mean i haven't seen make a post related to Russian launguae yet!!!! .......oh well!

Как россияне относятся к этой теме?

Relax, DDT. The Isreali-Lebanon conflict is all over the news. It's only natural the topic would come up eventually. I don't think SummerKiss came to start trouble, especially with such a passive name. She did say she was looking to practice her English, and talking about what's happening on the news is good practice.

Of course, casualties are part of war, but one can also be excessive in war and over-react, especially the one with all the modern weapons, as they can do far more harm with less effort. If a criminal takes a civilian hostage, you shouldn't kill the civilian along with the criminal just to get the criminal. Of course, that's easier said than done, especially in war.

Many Lebanese are Christian, yes. But Hezbollah is a militant Islamic group. I think it is about land and religion. In the Middle East, it's difficult to set aside religion as a major factor for many things.

Originally Posted by mashamania

passive name

SummerKiss?



for me this name only smells trouble

Originally Posted by SummerKiss

Because people are fighting not for those kidnapped soldiers and even not with terrorism, they are fighting for land and authority in the region.

Please oh please don't say it's about oil. Somebody on bbcrussian.com got their comment posted on the main site concerning this conflict that as long as there is oil in the middle east there will be war. You can't compare this situation with the IRAQ Conflict Arguments. It's an apple and an orange of a difference.

Oh and Israel's retaliation is not just for these 2 soldiers, it's more or less for years of continued terrorist attacks that seem to happen every week over a period of many years. Anyone want to count up all the dead innocent civilians there?

And please don't say that Israel is interested in conquering Lebanon's territory. Also, keep in mind that Israel in the past has forced its own citizens out of large territories of land in a gesture for peace.

This guy knows the truth. He was a PLO Terrorist but has since become an advocate for Israel.


http://www.shoebat.com/bio.php

In 1993, Walid studied the Tanach (Jewish Bible) in a challenge to convert his wife to Islam. Six months later, after intense study, Walid realized that everything he had been taught about Jews was a lie. Convinced he was on the side of evil, he became an advocate for his former enemy.

Originally Posted by Lampada

Originally Posted by Alware

Originally Posted by Lampada

Интересно, как бы Швеция или Турция реагировали на военное нападение с соседней страны и на призывы к их уничтожению?

Аналогия не совсем уместна. Почему например ты оправдываешь действия Израиля, а представители мусульманского мира и европы их осуждают? Это не вопрос того что "на самом деле" и не того что правильно а что нет. А вопрос самодентификации высказывающегося ИМХО.

Уже и спросить нельзя.
Кстати, ты хочешь сказать, что объективным в данной теме быть нельзя?
"самодентификация"? Опять новое слово.

Объективным быть можно. Но если кто-то говорит, что он "За Израиль" или "За Ливан", то объективизма здесь нет никакого.

самоидентификация Sorry for that typo

The media only seems to want to tell The Arab side of the story these days. It seems that the younger a person is the more he or she hates Israel.

Let’s not forget at this time that almost one million Jews were expelled from Arab countries in 1948. Watch the trailer. http://www.shoebat.com/trailer_exodus.php


http://www.pierrerehov.com/exodus.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14082298/

Now lets quote a song by adam and dave

"What I like about jews, they're real cool guys. Abused by the Germans and the Romans but they took it in stride! Yea!"

Ok that was a joke, but the matter at hand here Isn't. It seems like most other countries know how to forgive and forget, But radical islam can't and won't. Thats why when this sh*t happens, it has to be stopped at its roots. Nothing against the people and the innocent citizens of Muslim countries. I go to school everyday and learn from some pretty cool people who are from Afghanistan. 2 are doctors, many other have worked for the red cross, or BBC or CNN. They watch "Married with children" and quote Seinfeld. One even had family killed by the taliban and was arrested and shot before escaping and comming here to America.

Nobody has anything personal against the Ismlamic fath, its radicals in general. It sucks that innocent people on both sides, in both Lebenon and Isreal have to die. But if its to get people like this guy and thousands others off the streets, or killed. Then its what has to be done. It wont stop unless somebody stops it.

Once again, its not the Jews, or the Buddhists, or Christians (as scary as they are) who are indescrimanantly killing innocent people, its the radicam muslims and countries who support them need to be gone.

[/quote]Anyway, my dear, what did you come here to MR for? To start all this trouble.....Hmmm? Perhaps you are a spy sent by another Russian language site in order to stir up trouble with the peaceful citizens of MasterRussian......hmmm.!!!????

I mean i haven't seen her make a post related to Russian language yet!!!! .......oh well![/quote]

I came here to improve my english and to discuss the topics which I am interested in. I wanted to know the opinion of other people here and I did it. If you dont want to take part in "all this trouble" just dont answer. And if you look better you'll find my other topics.

You english is pretty good =)

Догбой, а кому принадлежит эта бандитская рожа на твоём аватаре?

Originally Posted by DDT

Originally Posted by basurero

in their koran(or however you spell that)

[quote:324iesdl] like 10 wives or something like that...

Exactly. You know nothing about Islam so don't open your mouth.

Christianity is no better than Islam.

And it doesn't sound like you know anything about Christianity.

We can argue all day long about what bad things Christians did and what bad things Muslims did, so I think that it is better to go straight to the source and judge the actions of Jesus against Mohammed.

Jesus:
Never had an army.
Never killed anyone.
Never ordered anyone to kill anyone.
Never stole anything.
Never raped anyone.
Never told his deciples it was ok to rape anyone.
Never was a child molestor.
Said, "Treat people the manner that you would want them to treat you."
"Love your enemies."


Mohammed:
Built a great army.
Went on about 20 campaigns of war, killing and mutilating as he went.
Ordered the death of hundred or thousands of prisoners. (900 Jews in one place)
Stole and looted camel trains or caravans to finance his first expeditions.
Raped women after first hacking the husbands into pieces in front of them.
Told his warriors that Allah said it was OK for them to rape hunreds captive women as long as they didn't ejaculate in them.
Had sex with an 8 or 9 year old girl who still played her dolls, when he was 56 years old. Her name was Aisha.
Said:
Christians and Jews are nothing more than pigs and apes. Search them out ant kill them where ever you find them.



So before you go equating Christianity with Islam and then "throwing the baby out with the bath water" I suggest you dig quite a bit deeper than where ever you have been digging.[/quote:324iesdl]

Where did you read all that about muhammed??? It seems to be a special Karan.