Thread: Israel-Lebanon conflict

Then why do you think Hizbullah is targetting civillians in Israel? I think they are hoping to kill people and as a by-product, instill fear into the rest of the population. A large proportion of the population ofnorthern Israel has fled to more southern parts.

There is a strong ideologically driven movement within Israel that sees all of the West Bank as rightfully belonging to the Jewish state. It has pushed for and succeeded in establishing numerous settlements throughout the West Bank since that territory was captured in the 1967 war.

Well Duhhh! You probably are not old enough to remember but I am. But I remember when Israel first annexed West Bank and Gaza. It was clear from the beginning that these lands were to be permanent part of Israel. No one tried to hide this fact back then. The Israeli government was encouraging settlement of these lands and promised any settlers that they would get full backing of the government and that they would not be left high and dry at a future date by Israel giving the lands back to Arab control.

At first the West Bank was never referred to as occupied but in recent years the media has begun using this word to describe West Bank and Gaza. The media has been biased against Israel increasingly since the late 70's and 80's.
Unfortunately our beloved media has been trying to socially engineer us now for years and by the intolerance I have seen for Israel here, I see it is beginning to work.

Israel seized the West Bank and Gaza in the legitimate defense of herself and under international laws of war, had the right to annex those lands. Just as the Allies did after WWII ....and every other war in history.

Originally Posted by DDT

There is a strong ideologically driven movement within Israel that sees all of the West Bank as rightfully belonging to the Jewish state. It has pushed for and succeeded in establishing numerous settlements throughout the West Bank since that territory was captured in the 1967 war.

Well Duhhh! You probably are not old enough to remember but I am. But I remember when Israel first annexed West Bank and Gaza. It was clear from the beginning that these lands were to be permanent part of Israel. No one tried to hide this fact back then. The Israeli government was encouraging settlement of these lands and promised any settlers that they would get full backing of the government and that they would not be left high and dry at a future date by Israel giving the lands back to Arab control.

At first the West Bank was never referred to as occupied but in recent years the media has begun using this word to describe West Bank and Gaza. The media has been biased against Israel increasingly since the late 70's and 80's.
Unfortunately our beloved media has been trying to socially engineer us now for years and by the intolerance I have seen for Israel here, I see it is beginning to work.

Israel seized the West Bank and Gaza in the legitimate defense of herself and under international laws of war, had the right to annex those lands. Just as the Allies did after WWII ....and every other war in history.

This is not just about land, it's about people. There are around 2.5 million Arabs who live in the West Bank. Should they be made citizens of Israel? Or would you perhaps prefer to see them driven out into Jordan to make way for total annexation and settlement of the territory by Israelis? Do you think it was a mistake not to drive them out of their homes at the time of the six day war?

Oh, and by the way, Israel only ever formally annexed East Jerusalem. Olmert is only now talking about defining Israel's final borders.

Originally Posted by Dogboy182

Originally Posted by basurero

What does здрасте mean in your signature?

I dont even know if its a real word. Its just a shorter, (cooler) more impolite way to say Здраствуйте (did i mention easier?).

Ive only ever really heard it in songs, or teenagers talking. But hey, songs, and teenagers are cool. So, i guess its cool.

Здрасте здрасте, я ваш догбой
поверьте мне, я ж не голубой...

You can also say "здравствуй" can't you?

Is this cool too?

Originally Posted by basurero

You can also say "здравствуй" can't you?

Is this cool too?

Not really, no.

What about, G'day there chickies!"

Is that cool! ......Huh?

Coz if it is I'm gonna use it on this Russian chick that just emailed me today looking for a date or $250 bucks, whichever comes first!


I wonder how she got my address because I never give that one out.

For the most part I have to agree with DDT's postings in this thread... He is right completely about the media's trying to shift people's opinions on Israel... its kind of worrisome as I believe Israel should exist and I don't think Islam should be tolerated: radical or not. Especially not when "tolerating" it means bowing to every whim of the muslims. I hope Israel keeps going, this is the only way to teach the islamist groups out there what will happen if they push them... and if Iran or Syria get involved I'll be cheering as we join in with Israel and bomb them all flat!

No hard feelings to any muslims out there~ but I think your religion is the fruit of a crazy man's mind and only serves to endanger civilization.

--Peace

Originally Posted by DDT

What about, G'day there chickies!"

Is that cool! ......Huh?

Coz if it is I'm gonna use it on this Russian chick that just emailed me today looking for a date or $250 bucks, whichever comes first!


I wonder how she got my address because I never give that one out.

And how much are your first dates usually cost? Less than $250
What a spender!

Originally Posted by Alware

And how much do your first dates usually cost? Less than $250
What a spender!

They usually charge by the hour!

Actually I think she/he is a going to try to scam me for visa money.
I think I will play this player!

Originally Posted by Plastic-Saint

For the most part I have to agree with DDT's postings in this thread...

"For the most part": what parts of what he's saying are you not entirely in agreement with?

Just curious...

Originally Posted by Plastic-Saint

He is right completely about the media's trying to shift people's opinions on Israel... its kind of worrisome as I believe Israel should exist

So because the media try to highlight some of the injustices that Israel perpetrates against non-Jews living in the West Bank, this must mean that they are opposed to your belief that Israel should exist? Are you incapable of grasping the concept that one may be critical of someone or something without wishing their destruction? It shouldn't be that difficult to get your head round.


What precisely do you mean when you say?

Originally Posted by Plastic-Saint

I don't think Islam should be tolerated: radical or not.

Originally Posted by Plastic-Saint

Especially not when "tolerating" it means bowing to every whim of the muslims.

Please cite examples of where the USA and its allies have been "bowing to every whim of the Muslims"??

Originally Posted by Plastic-Saint

I hope Israel keeps going, this is the only way to teach the islamist groups out there what will happen if they push them... and if Iran or Syria get involved I'll be cheering as we join in with Israel and bomb them all flat!

So you'll be cheering while civilians are getting blown to pieces. What a wonderful specimen of humanity you are!

Of course, I shouldn't really be surprised seeing as you're living in a part of the world where fanatical support for Israel is an essential part of another screwed up belief system that sees Israel's existence as an essential condition for the second coming of Christ.

Originally Posted by Plastic-Saint

No hard feelings to any muslims out there~ but I think your religion is the fruit of a crazy man's mind and only serves to endanger civilization.

Yeah, I'm sure they'll be mightily relieved to hear that

Originally Posted by Plastic-Saint

For the most part I have to agree with DDT's postings in this thread... He is right completely about the media's trying to shift people's opinions on Israel... its kind of worrisome as I believe Israel should exist and I don't think Islam should be tolerated: radical or not. Especially not when "tolerating" it means bowing to every whim of the muslims. I hope Israel keeps going, this is the only way to teach the islamist groups out there what will happen if they push them... and if Iran or Syria get involved I'll be cheering as we join in with Israel and bomb them all flat!

No hard feelings to any muslims out there~ but I think your religion is the fruit of a crazy man's mind and only serves to endanger civilization.

--Peace

You should not be tolerated on this earth, in fact, you should be wiped off the map. I refuse to acknowledge your existence.

So how about those mets?

Plastic-Saint wrote:

No hard feelings to any muslims out there~ but I think your religion is the fruit of a crazy man's mind and only serves to endanger civilization. Laughing

You got that right! He suffered from bad headaches too, I can only guess what that was. He attracted all the loosers with the rewards of being able to raid camel trains and rape captive women! You would have to be a total looser to join that religion as an adult. Unfortunately most Muslims are brainwashed into it as children and stay that way.
But here is one that didn't, Wafa Sultan. This chick kicks ass!! (but of course Islamic nuts are trying to kill her now)
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/11/inter ... tner=rssus
http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1050

There are Arabs who live in Israel proper (i.e. not in the West Bank or Gaza), by the way.

Some hippy girl at university who is a member of the "Friends of Palestine Society" assured me that ALL Arabs in Israel lived in the West Bank or Gaza and under no circumstances were permitted to enter the main part of Israel. That's funny, because as well as the many thousands of Arabs living in Israel proper, I read an article on the BBC news site which had a Palestinian man saying Israeli road blocks were making it take him hours and hours to get to Tel-Aviv where he often did business. I.e., people are allowed to travel from the Palestinian territories out into Israel. Also, how does she think these suicide bombers manage to target places like Tel-Aviv?

Of course there are strict regulations governing where Arabs can live and such and also governing the movements of residents from the Palestinian territories into Israel.

And I hear and read lots of talk about the Arabs living in Gaza and West Bank being those who were kicked off their land by the Jews when Israel was formed. Yes probably most of them are. But there was also a large influx of Arabs from neighboring countries under the British mandate. The modern term Palestinian does not refer to a specific ethnicity. It is just an Arab who lives in Palestine. So, an Egyptian family who moved to Palestine in say 1940, and then after the formation of Israel moved into the Gaza strip, would be called Palestinian, and there descendants would be too.

But also, I am quite uncomfortable with certain people's blatant Islamophobia. I must say I sort of agree with the points raised, but it isn't done in the most sensitive way. If you are born into a religion it is very difficult to see any fault in it. I believe all religion is a load of crap, but I wouldn't go up to a Christian and shout "JESUS WAS JUST A CARPENTER WHO TALKED TO MUCH AND WASN'T EVEN THE SON OF GOD AND YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR OWN MIND AND DO WHATEVER SOME INACCURATE ANCIENT BOOK TELLS YOU".

ALSO!

I saw an interesting piece on the BBC news yesterday (the BBC was criticised a couple of years ago, by the way, for being too pro-Israel), about how it is not the Jewish lobby in America that drives the country's support for Israel, it is in fact crazy evangelical Christians who believe in something called "End time theology". Basically in the Bible it says for Jesus to return to Earth the Jews must be gathered in Israel, and also that when he returns he will judge the gentiles (non-Jews) treatment of the Jews. Thus, these evangelical Christians (who there are a lot of, and in very high places) are very pro-Israel. Couple with that they are likely to be very pro-American and therefore hate Muslims because of 9/11.

About 60 (!) Lebanese were killed in bomb shelter today... More than 20 children... So DO YOU SUPPORT Israel?

Originally Posted by Plastic-Saint

For the most part I have to agree with DDT's postings in this thread... He is right completely about the media's trying to shift people's opinions on Israel... its kind of worrisome as I believe Israel should exist and I don't think Islam should be tolerated: radical or not. Especially not when "tolerating" it means bowing to every whim of the muslims. I hope Israel keeps going, this is the only way to teach the islamist groups out there what will happen if they push them... and if Iran or Syria get involved I'll be cheering as we join in with Israel and bomb them all flat!

No hard feelings to any muslims out there~ but I think your religion is the fruit of a crazy man's mind and only serves to endanger civilization.

--Peace

holy *uck,u spittin some crap

All you must respect the religions even budism!I'm a muslim,and im quite pleased with being a muslim.My perception of Islam ain't contains any radical *hit *uck radical islam supporters.Btw u plastic saint,Islam ain't smth that you know,you know *uckin nothing about Islam!

Originally Posted by Dogboy182

Phff. Muhamed was a loser anyways. he was banished by his people and the only others who listened to his crazy ravings were camels hustling nomads.

,


hahaha bull*hit you're really well tought about Islam.I wonder that idiot who tought u all that *hit

Originally Posted by TATY

There are Arabs who live in Israel proper (i.e. not in the West Bank or Gaza), by the way.

Yes and they, Arabs with Israei citizenship, seem to be quite content. Unlike Jews who live in Arab countries.

Originally Posted by TATY

But also, I am quite uncomfortable with certain people's blatant Islamophobia. I must say I sort of agree with the points raised, but it isn't done in the most sensitive way.

Ah!.......that would be me! I don't have a problem with slamming Islam anymore than I have a problem slamming Jim Jones or that other crazy cult that all killed themselves because Aliens from the comet Halebop were coming to save their souls or Hitler's Nazi Party or the Pope and early Catholics for that matter.

Why hell, the neo nazis get slammed everytime they comb their hair like Hitler and they haven't done a fraction of the damage that Islam has. Muslims follow the teachings of a homicidal lunatic and so do neo nazis. Why should we give Islam a break?

Originally Posted by TATY

but I wouldn't go up to a Christian and shout "JESUS WAS JUST A CARPENTER WHO TALKED TO MUCH AND WASN'T EVEN THE SON OF GOD AND YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR OWN MIND AND DO WHATEVER SOME INACCURATE ANCIENT BOOK TELLS YOU".

I think you would.....if Christians were spreading their religion by rapings, beheadings, fatwahs and jihads!

Originally Posted by TATY

I saw an interesting piece on the BBC news yesterday (the BBC was criticised a couple of years ago, by the way, for being too pro-Israel),

By the extreme radical left!

Originally Posted by Kirill2142

About 60 (!) Lebanese were killed in bomb shelter today... More than 20 children... So DO YOU SUPPORT Israel?

Er ........yes!

Everybody's free to support any side.What makes me go crazy is some members' thoughts on Islam.They know nothing about Islam.Islam (I'm referring to non-distorted Islam) is totally different from what they know.