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Originally Posted by Jeff

Originally Posted by DDT

And that is mythology.

Then give the name of a country that had Jerusalem as its capital, other than Israel that is, within say the last 3,500 years, Mr Smartypants.

DDT
it seems that you are paid by your Zionist master to try to brainwash this forum members. Go and read at least the net is so helpful. Do not think that we do not know out history, our homelands. Talking about democratic Israel is making me feel so sad about your way of understanding Democracy. Look at these democratic so called State:
check these links to see what democracy you are talking about:









Are those children terrorists, Are those children having explosive belts around?
Are those children antisemites?
Are those soldiers presenting a democratis state as you are claiming?
DDT:
Shame on you Great American freedom and democracy supporter.

Regarding, the history of Palestine, Here is a brief history in clear ENgLiSh. Please, read it carefully to discover facts by the way it is written by a westerner.:



3'RD MILLENNIUM BC
3'rd millennium BC : The Canaanites "By the way they are ancient Arabs" were the earliest known inhabitants of Palestine. They became urbanized and lived in city-states, one of which was Jericho . They developed an alphabet. Palestine's location at the center of routes linking three continents made it the meeting place for religious and cultural influences from Egypt, Syria, Mesopotamia, and Asia Minor. It was also the natural battleground for the great powers of the region and subject to domination by adjacent empires, beginning with Egypt in the 3d millennium BC.

2'ND MILLENNIUM BC
2'rd millennium BC : Egyptian hegemony and Canaanite autonomy were constantly challenged by such ethnically diverse invaders as the Amorites, Hittites, and Hurrians. These invaders, however, were defeated by the Egyptians and absorbed by the Canaanites, who at that time may have numbered about 200000.

14th century BC : Egyptian power began to weaken, new invaders appeared: the Hebrews " here is there first appearance in Palestine history, a group of Semitic tribes from Mesopotamia, and the Philistines : "those are the people you did not hear about them Chummy (after whom the country was later named), an Aegean people of Indo-European stock.

1230 BC : Joshua conquered parts of Palestine. The conquerors settled in the hill country, but they were unable to conquer all of Palestine.

1125 BC : The Israelites, a confederation of Hebrew tribes, finally defeated the Canaanites but found the struggle with the Philistines more difficult . Philistines had established an independent state on the southern coast of Palestine and controlled the Canaanite town of Jerusalem.

1050 BC : Philistines with there superior in military organization and using iron weapons, they severely defeated the Israelites about 1050 BC .




1'ST MILLENNIUM BC
1000 BC : David, Israel's great king, finally defeated the Philistines, and they eventually assimilated with the Canaanites . The unity of Israel and the feebleness of adjacent empires enabled David to establish a large independent state, with its capital at Jerusalem.

922 BC : Under David's son and successor, Solomon, Israel enjoyed peace and prosperity , but at his death in 922 BC the kingdom was divided into Israel in the north and Judah in the south .

722-721 BC : When nearby empires resumed their expansion, the divided Israelites could no longer maintain their independence . Israel fell to Assyria.

586 BC : Judah was conquered by Babylonia, which destroyed Jerusalem and exiled most of the Jews living there. Nebuchadnezzar entered Jerusalem. The Temple was sacked and set fire to, and razed to the ground. The Royal Palace and all the great houses were destroyed, the population carried off in chains to Babylon. And they lamented on their long march into exile.

539 BC : Cyrus the Great of Persia conquered Babylonia and he permitted the Jews to return to Judea, a district of Palestine. Under Persian rule the Jews were allowed considerable autonomy. They rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem and codified the Mosaic law, the Torah, which became the code of social life and religious observance. The Jews were bound to a universal God.

333 BC : Persian domination of Palestine was replaced by Greek rule when Alexander the Great of Macedonia took the region. Alexander's successors, the Ptolemies of Egypt and the Seleucids of Syria , continued to rule the country . The Seleucids tried to impose Hellenistic (Greek) culture and religion on the population.

141-63 BC : Jews revolted under the Maccabees and set up an independent state.

132-35 BC : Jews revolts erupted, numerous Jews were killed, many were sold into slavery, and the rest were not allowed to visit Jerusalem. Judea was renamed Syria Palaistina.

63 BC : Jerusalem was overrun by Rome. Herod was appointed King of Judea. He slaughtered the last of the Hasmoneans and ordered a lavish restoration and extension of the Second Temple. A period of great civil disorder followed with strife between pacifists and Zealots, and riots against the Roman authorities.

37-4 BC : During the rule of King Herod the Great Jesus of Nazareth, peace be upon him was born. And years after, he began his teaching mission. His attempts to call people back to the pure teachings of Abraham and Moses were judged subversive by the authorities. He was tried and sentenced to death; "yet they did not slay him but only a likeness that was shown to them."



1-999 AD
70 AD : Titus of Rome laid siege to Jerusalem. The fiercely defended Temple eventually fell, and with it the whole city. Seeking a complete and enduring victory, Titus ordered the total destruction of the Herodian Temple. A new city named Aelia was built by the Romans on the ruins of Jerusalem, and a temple dedicated to Jupitor raised up.

313 AD : Palestine received special attention when the Roman emperor Constantine I legalized Christianity. His mother, Helena, visited Jerusalem, and Palestine, as the Holy Land, became a focus of Christian pilgrimage. A golden age of prosperity, security, and culture followed. Most of the population became Hellenized and Christianized .

324 AD : Constantine of Byzantium marched on Aelia. He rebuilt the city walls and commissioned the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and opened the city for Christian pilgrimage.

29-614 AD : Byzantine (Roman) rule was interrupted , however , by a brief Persian occupation and ended altogether when Muslim Arab armies invaded Palestine and captured Jerusalem in AD 638 .

638 AD : The Arab conquest began 1300 years of Muslim presence in what then became known as Filastin. Eager to be rid of their Byzantine overlords and aware of their shared heritage with the Arabs, the descendants of Ishmael, as well as the Muslims reputation for mercy and compassion in victory, the people of Jerusalem handed over the city after a brief siege. They made only one condition, That the terms of their surrender be negotiated directly with the Khalif 'Umar in person. 'Umar entered Jerusalem on foot. There was no bloodshed. There were no massacres. Those who wanted to leave were allowed to, with all their goods. Those who wanted to stay were guarantee protection for their lives, their property and places of worship.

Palestine was holy to Muslims because the Prophet Muhammad had designated Jerusalem as the first qibla (the direction Muslims face when praying) and because he was believed to have ascended on a night journey to heaven from the the old city of Jerusalem (al-Aqsa Mosque today) , where the Dome of the Rock was later built. Jerusalem became the third holiest city of Islam. The Muslim rulers did not force their religion on the Palestinians, and more than a century passed before the majority converted to Islam. The remaining Christians and Jews were considered People of the Book. They were allowed autonomous control in their communities and guaranteed security and freedom of worship. Such tolerance was rare in the history of religion . Most Palestinians also adopted Arabic and Islamic culture. Palestine benefited from the empires trade and from its religious significance during the first Muslim dynasty, the Umayyads of Damascus.

750 AD : The power shifted to Baghdad with the Abbasids, Palestine became neglected. It suffered unrest and successive domination by Seljuks, Fatimids, and European Crusaders. It shared, however, in the glory of Muslim civilization, when the Muslim world enjoyed a golden age of science, art, philosophy, and literature. Muslims preserved Greek learning and broke new ground in several fields, all of which later contributed to the Renaissance in Europe. Like the rest of the empire, however, Palestine under the Mamelukes gradually stagnated and declined.

1000-1899 AD
1517 AD : The Ottoman Turks of Asia Minor defeated the Mamelukes, with few interruptions, ruled Palestine until the winter of 1917-18. The country was divided into several districts (sanjaks), such as that of Jerusalem. The administration of the districts was placed largely in the hands of Arab Palestinians, who were descendants of the Canaanites. The Christian and Jewish communities, however, were allowed a large measure of autonomy. Palestine shared in the glory of the Ottoman Empire during the 16th century, but declined again when the empire began to decline in the 17th century.

1831-1840 AD : Muhammad Ali, the modernizing viceroy of Egypt, expanded his rule to Palestine . His policies modified the feudal order, increased agriculture, and improved education.

1840 The Ottoman Empire reasserted its authority, instituting its own reforms .

1845 Jewish in Palestine were 12,000 increased to 85,000 by 1914. All people in Palestine were Arabic Muslims and Christians.

1897 the first Zionist Congress held Basle, Switzerland, issued the Basle programme on the colonization of Palestine.


1900-1946
1904 the Fourth Zionist Congress decided to establish a national home for Jews in Argentina.
1906 the Zionist congress decided the Jewish homeland should be Palestine.

1914 With the outbreak of World War I, Britain promised the independence of Arab lands under Ottoman rule, including Palestine, in return for Arab support against Turkey which had entered the war on the side of Germany. Here is the western mistake is carried out DDT.

1916 Britain and France signed the Sykes-Picot Agreement, which divided the Arab region into zones of influence. Lebanon and Syria were assigned to France, Jordan and Iraq to Britain and Palestine was to be internationalized.

1917 The British government issued the Balfour Declaration on November 2, in the form of a letter to a British Zionist leader from the foreign secretary Arthur J. Balfour prmissing him the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine.
1917-1918 Aided by the Arabs, the British captured Palestine from the Ottoman Turks. The Arabs revolted against the Turks because the British had promised them, in correspondence with Shareef Husein ibn Ali of Mecca, the independence of their countries after the war. Britain, however, also made other, conflicting commitments in the secret Sykes-Picot agreement with France and Russia (1916), it promised to divide and rule the region with its allies. In a third agreement, the Balfour Declaration of 1917, Britain promised the Jews a Jewish "national home" in Palestine .

1918 After WW I ended, Jews began to migrate to Palestine, which was set a side as a British mandate with the approval of the League of Nations in 1922. Large-scale Jewish settlement and extensive Zionist agricultural and industrial enterprises in Palestine began during the British mandatory period, which lasted until 1948.

1919 The Palestinians convened their first National Conference and expressed their opposition to the Balfour Declaration.

1920 The San Remo Conference granted Britain a mandate over Palestine. and two years later Palestine was effectively under British administration. Sir Herbert Samuel, a declared Zionist, was sent as Britain's first High Commissioner to Palestine.

1922 The Council of the League of Nations issued a Mandate for Palestine.

1929 Large-scale attacks on Jews by Arabs rocked Jerusalem. Palestinians killed 133 Jews and suffered 116 deaths. Sparked by a dispute over use of the Western Wall of Al-Aqsa Mosque ( this site is sacred to Muslims, but Jews claimed it is the remaining of jews temple all studies shows clearly that the wall is from the Islamic ages and it is part of al-Aqsa Mosque). But the roots of the conflict lay deeper in Arab fears of the Zionist movement which aimed to make at least part of British-administered Palestine a Jewish state.

1936 The Palestinians held a six-month General Strike to protest against the confiscation of land and Jewish immigration.

1937 Peel Commission, headed by Lord Robert Peel, issued a report. Basically, the commission concluded, the mandate in Palestine was unworkable There was no hope of any cooperative national entity there that included both Arabs and Jews. The commission went on to recommend the partition of Palestine into a Jewish state, an Arab state, and a neutral sacred-site state to be administered by Britain.

1939 The British government published a White Paper restricting Jewish immigration and offering independence for Palestine within ten years. This was rejected by the Zionists, who then organized terrorist groups and launched a bloody campaign against the British and the Palestinians.

1947-1966
1947 Great Britain decided to leave Palestine and called on the United Nations (UN) to make recommendations. In response, the UN convened its first special session and on November 29, 1947, it adopted a plan calling for partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem as an international zone under UN jurisdiction.

1947 Arab protests against partition erupted in violence, with attacks on Jewish settlements in retalation to the attacks of Jews terrorist groups to Arab Towns and villages and massacres in hundred against unarmed Palestinian in there homes.

15 May 1948 British decided to leave on this day, leaders of the Yishuv decided (as they claim) to implement that part of the partition plan calling for establishment of a Jewish state. The same day, the armies of Egypt, Transjordan (now Jordan), Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq joined Palestinian and other Arab guerrillas in a full-scale war (first Arab-Israeli War). The Arabs failed to prevent establishment of a Jewish state, and the war ended with four UN-arranged armistice agreements between Israel and Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria.

The small Gaza Strip was left under Egyptian control, and the West Bank was controled by Jordan.

Of the more than 800,000 Arabs who lived in Israeli-held territory before 1948, only about 170,000 remained. The rest became refugees in the surrounding Arab countries, ending the Arab majority in the Jewish state.

1956 Attckes incursions by refugee guerrilla bands and attacks by Arab military units were made, Egypt refused to permit Israeli ships to use the Suez Canal and blockaded the Straits of Tiran erupted in the second Arab-Israeli War.

Great Britain and France joined the attack because of their dispute with Egypt's president Gamal Abdel Nasser, who had nationalized the Suez Canal. Seizing the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula within few days. The fighting was halted by the UN after a few days, and a UN Emergency Force (UNEF) was sent to supervise the cease-fire in the Canal zone. By the end of the year their forces withdrew from Egypt, but Israel refused to leave Gaza until early 1957.

1965 The Palestine Liberation Organization was established.

1967-1989
1967 Nasser's insistence in 1967 that the UNEF leave Egypt, led Israel to attack Egypt, Jordan, and Syria simultaneously on 5th of June.

The war ended six days later with an Israeli victory. Israel occuiped Gaza Strip, Sinai Peninsula, Arab East Jerusalem, West Bank, Golan Heights.

After 1967 war, several guerrilla organizations within the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) carried out guerrillas attacks on Israeli miletary targets, with the stated objective of "redeeming Palestine."

1973 Egypt joined Syria in a war on Israel to regain the territories lost in 1967. The two Arab states struck unexpectedly on October 6. After crossing the suez channel the Arab forces gain a lot of advanced positions in Sinai Peninsula and Golan Heights and manage to defeat the Israeli forces for more then three weeks. Israeli forces with a massive U.S. economic and military assistance managed to stop the arab forces after a three-week struggle. The Arab oil-producing states cut off petroleum exports to the United States and other Western nations in retaliation for their aid to Israel.

In an effort to encourage a peace settlement, U.S. secretary of state, Henry Kissinger, managed to work out military disengagements between Israel and Egypt in the Sinai and between Israel and Syria in the Golan Heights during 1974.

1974 The Arab Summit in Rabat recognized the PLO as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.

1982 Israel launched an invasion of Lebanon aimed at wiping out the PLO presence there. By mid-August, after intensive fighting in and around Bayrut, the PLO agreed to withdraw its guerrillas from the city. Israeli troops remained in southern Lebanon.

1987 Relations between Israel and the Palestinians entered a new phase with the intifada, a series of uprisings in the occupied territories that included demonstrations, strikes, and rock-throwing attacks on Israeli soldiers.

1988 The PNC meeting in Algiers declared the State of Palestine as outlined in the UN Partition Plan 181.

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Originally Posted by Maslan

if Palestene is not occupied by arabs this doesn't mean that it isn't an arabic land. the Palestenian people are muslim arabs themselves.

It also doesn't mean that it is. You claim this land as arab. Tell me why.

Originally Posted by Maslan

but u Vesh are with jewish

No. I'm not.

Originally Posted by Maslan

think of my neutral words,

Your neutral words? Are there words neutral? "Jews hurted arabs, do any one accept his country to be conquered"

Originally Posted by DDT

Israel has shown more than enough restraint in dealing with its' Palestinian community. Israel could have bulldozed them all across the Jordan by now but instead, in desperation chose to put a wall up to keep them from sending their murderous rebels in to shopping malls to kill and maime children. And so now, some people insist on calling the Jews inhuman for costructing the wall. Preposturous!

What's preposturous is the way you can't argue a point without constantly misrepresenting the issue. There's nothing inhuman about constructing the wall per se, although in all likelihood it would never have been necessary if Israel hadn't planted religious fanatics like Baruch Goldstein in Arab communities in the first place. The problem is WHERE the wall is being built, well beyond Israel's borders and cutting off Palestinian towns from vital services. The wall is presented as a purely protective measure when in actual fact it is also being used to pre-empt a future negotiated settlement and cement Israel's landgrab of Palestinian territory.

Originally Posted by Cyphyr

The wall is presented as a purely protective measure when in actual fact it is also being used to pre-empt a future negotiated settlement and cement Israel's landgrab of Palestinian territory.

There is no land grab by Israel. That land (The entire West Bank and Gaza) was already forfieted and lost to Israel by Palestinian Arab acts of war. As the victors, Israel gets to decide what land, if any, she will give to her Arab enemies. That was the risk that Arabs took when they challenged Israel to war. They can build that wall any where they feel like.

So, it's because of Baruch Goldstein antifada was started?

Originally Posted by Vesh

Originally Posted by Maslan

if Palestene is not occupied by arabs this doesn't mean that it isn't an arabic land. the Palestenian people are muslim arabs themselves.

It also doesn't mean that it is. You claim this land as arab. Tell me why.

Originally Posted by Maslan

but u Vesh are with jewish

No. I'm not.

Originally Posted by Maslan

think of my neutral words,

Your neutral words? Are there words neutral? "Jews hurted arabs, do any one accept his country to be conquered"

A simple question that i think u really fear it, where r u from ???

Originally Posted by Lampada

So, it's because of Baruch Goldstein antifada was started?

No, but up until that point suicide bombing had not deliberately targeted civilians. In Sunni Islam it had been considered unacceptable to commit suicide, but after Goldstein's attack, that changed. The scale of the attack, the fact that it was against civilians and that it was within a holy place provoked outrage in the Sunni Arab world. Those on the Palestinian side who believed "an eye for an eye" now demanded revenge. How was this to happen? They didn't have missiles or tanks to launch an attack on a similar scale, so the idea of the suicide bomb seemed the answer. But up until this point it had only been viewed as acceptable by Shia groups and had been used in numerous attacks in Lebanon against military targets. A debate ensued among Sunni Muslim scholars as to whether suicide could be viewed as "martyrdom" and those who believed it could, won the debate. Forty days after Goldstein's attack, Hamas made the first suicide bombing within Israel deliberately targeting civilians. A line had been crossed, "the genie was out of the bottle", if you like. If they could justify that attack in their minds, then why not another?, and another? A terrible new era of violence had begun.

My point was that if Goldstein's attack had not taken place, then perhaps suicide bombing would not have been adopted as a weapon. I probably expressed this too strongly saying "in all likelihood" but I hope you can see what I was getting at. That attack and the subsequent bombings by Hamas really poisoned relations between Israelis and Palestinians at a critical time when it had looked like a peace agreement could take hold. The extremists on the Palestinian side now had a weapon of enormous power, with just one attack they could scupper peace negotiations and greatly increase their influence over the course of events.

The more general point is that establishing settlements alongside Palestinian towns in the West Bank is not likely to bring better understanding between the communities. Particularly when you consider the nature of the settlers. I mean, I think we can agree they are generally not drawn from the moderate section of Israeli society. Many are openly racist and make it very clear they want the Arabs expelled from the West Bank. For many Palestinians, this is the face of all Jews. Added to this you've got a heavy military presence there to protect these settlements with numerous checkpoints etc. It's not going to win any Palestinian hearts and minds, to put it mildly.

My account of the development of suicide bombing among the Sunni community is basically paraphrased from the series I mentioned in a previous post: "The Cult of the Suicide Bomber". Presented by Robert Baer, a former undercover agent for the CIA, it explains how suicide bombing developed first in Iran during the Iran-Iraq war, then travelled to Lebanon via Iran's links with the Shia community there, and then was adopted by Sunni Arabs in Palestine. Like a virus it has mutated, appearing first as purely a battlefield weapon but then transforming into a weapon of mass terror. I don't know if it's available on the internet. Perhaps it will be shown in other countries at some stage. It's well worth watching if you get the chance to see it.

Originally Posted by DDT

Originally Posted by Cyphyr

The wall is presented as a purely protective measure when in actual fact it is also being used to pre-empt a future negotiated settlement and cement Israel's landgrab of Palestinian territory.

There is no land grab by Israel. That land (The entire West Bank and Gaza) was already forfieted and lost to Israel by Palestinian Arab acts of war. As the victors, Israel gets to decide what land, if any, she will give to her Arab enemies. That was the risk that Arabs took when they challenged Israel to war. They can build that wall any where they feel like.

DDT, do you believe it was a mistake not to drive out the Arab population from the West Bank during or in the immediate aftermath of the 1967 war? Just curious. There are no problems today with Czech or Polish forces controlling large German populations in the areas that used to belong to Germany or had German populations before World War II. Do you think that was the correct approach to dealing with conquered territory and should have been applied with the land Israel captured as well?

Originally Posted by Cyphyr

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DDT, do you believe it was a mistake not to drive out the Arab population from the West Bank during or in the immediate aftermath of the 1967 war? Just curious. There are no problems today with Czech or Polish forces controlling large German populations in the areas that used to belong to Germany or had German populations before World War II. Do you think that was the correct approach to dealing with conquered territory and should have been applied with the land Israel captured as well?

Until you acknowlege that this (Arab vs Israel) is purely religeous war (Islam against infidels) you will not understand.

Germans are not muslim. That's why the situation is as it is there.

I think that Israel made a mistake letting all those Arabs come back into Israel after they left.

Remember that Arabs all left thinking that Israel would be destroyed by the Arab invasion, then they would return to receive the spoils.

Originally Posted by Maslan

Originally Posted by Vesh

Originally Posted by Maslan

if Palestene is not occupied by arabs this doesn't mean that it isn't an arabic land. the Palestenian people are muslim arabs themselves.

It also doesn't mean that it is. You claim this land as arab. Tell me why.

Originally Posted by Maslan

but u Vesh are with jewish

No. I'm not.

Originally Posted by Maslan

think of my neutral words,

Your neutral words? Are there words neutral? "Jews hurted arabs, do any one accept his country to be conquered"

A simple question that i think u really fear it, where r u from ???

I'm horrified... From Russia.

Now would you bother to answer my question?

Originally Posted by DDT

Remember that Arabs all left thinking that Israel would be destroyed by the Arab invasion, then they would return to receive the spoils.

Not all. Those who didn't leave got Izraeli citizenship.

Originally Posted by DDT

Originally Posted by Cyphyr

The wall is presented as a purely protective measure when in actual fact it is also being used to pre-empt a future negotiated settlement and cement Israel's landgrab of Palestinian territory.

There is no land grab by Israel. That land (The entire West Bank and Gaza) was already forfieted and lost to Israel by Palestinian Arab acts of war. As the victors, Israel gets to decide what land, if any, she will give to her Arab enemies. That was the risk that Arabs took when they challenged Israel to war. They can build that wall any where they feel like.

It's funny, but if these territories that were "controlled" by Arab countries were in fact parts of these countries, Israel could have lawfully annex them as territories of states-aggressors that were used to commit an aggression. But since those territories were not parts of the states-aggressors but just were "controlled" by them, it's unlawful to annex them.

So, Israel does not get to decide what land, if any, she will give to her Arab enemies.

Originally Posted by Vesh

Originally Posted by Maslan

Originally Posted by Vesh

Originally Posted by Maslan

if Palestene is not occupied by arabs this doesn't mean that it isn't an arabic land. the Palestenian people are muslim arabs themselves.

It also doesn't mean that it is. You claim this land as arab. Tell me why.

Originally Posted by Maslan

but u Vesh are with jewish

No. I'm not.

Originally Posted by Maslan

think of my neutral words,

Your neutral words? Are there words neutral? "Jews hurted arabs, do any one accept his country to be conquered"

A simple question that i think u really fear it, where r u from ???

I'm horrified... From Russia.

Now would you bother to answer my question?

Its seems not, russia was some how with arabs against israel, they helped egypt when england , france and israel attacked it, so ofcourse they left.
russia helped egypt and syria in october 1973 war, which is really a miracle. the barlif was the most powerful barrier all over the world, at in falled in less than a day, the specialists at this time said that it sure requires a nuclear bomb, but it falled with some water bombers used as the ones used in agriculture. this war is really russian, the MiG has proven that its better than usa phantoms which israel was using. USA made what is called an air bridge woth israel and russian made the same with egypt.
russian has killed more than 10,000 jewish when they found the protocols of zion.
and remember that israel refused to sign Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_proliferation
sure u r a not russian, it seems ur a jewish russian.


finally What's your question ?

That's funny... Are you saying that because I'm Russian I have to be antisemitic and if I'm not I must be Jew?

The question is: Why do you claim this land as Arab?

Originally Posted by Vesh

That's funny... Are you saying that because I'm Russian I have to be antisemitic and if I'm not I must be Jew?

The question is: Why do you claim this land as Arab?

Antisemitic Arab are also semitic like jewish, if u revised the history u will them cousines.

I don't claim , it is not arab nor jewish but it's for the native people living in it, so the original jewish which was living in palestene before 1948 has the right as the muslims and chrisitians that was living their before 1948 but the jewish people who came after 1948 are conquerors and are not welcomed their, it's not their countries.

i think u didn't argued me about the russian loyality to arabs in 73

Originally Posted by Vesh

Originally Posted by DDT

Remember that Arabs all left thinking that Israel would be destroyed by the Arab invasion, then they would return to receive the spoils.

Not all. Those who didn't leave got Izraeli citizenship.

Yes, it's an interesting fact in all of this, that close to 20% of the population within Israel itself is Arab. And while being far from fully integrated into Israeli society, they do enjoy more freedom than Arab citizens of other states in the Middle East. It's a different situation for those that live in the occupied territories though.

Originally Posted by Maslan

Antisemitic Arab are also semitic like jewish, if u revised the history u will them cousines.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Antisemitic%20

Originally Posted by Maslan

I don't claim , it is not arab nor jewish but it's for the native people living in it, so the original jewish which was living in palestene before 1948 has the right as the muslims and chrisitians that was living their before 1948 but the jewish people who came after 1948 are conquerors and are not welcomed their, it's not their countries.

I'm glad you don't. Because the question whose land it is is just unappropriate if we do want to solve this problem.

If you really think so, you'll have to agree that arabs who moved to this land after 1948, and there were quite many of them, are conquerors as well.

Originally Posted by Vesh

I'm glad you don't. Because the question whose land it is is just unappropriate if we do want to solve this problem.

If you really think so, you'll have to agree that arabs who moved to this land after 1948, and there were quite many of them, are conquerors as well.

That's right i agree for that , any people came without rights after 1948 are conquerors. and if many arabs do that, they r conquerors. while many many jewish do that which means that there more jewish conquerors that arab ones.

Originally Posted by Vesh

Originally Posted by Maslan

Antisemitic Arab are also semitic like jewish, if u revised the history u will them cousines.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Antisemitic%20

That's right but arabs also belongs to semitic people they are jewish cousines all came from a man called sam the son of what muslims call him profet "Nooh".
there were a profet arab called him "Ibrahim" which was married to two women one was called "Sarah" and the other is called "Hagar", they both gave birth to two sons one called "Isaac" and the other is called "Ismael", both of them became profets, Isaac was the ancestor of all jewish while Ismael was the first arab and he is the one who invented the arabic language.

And here is my link, please search well before u post.

"There is much debate about the scope of the word's "racial" use in the context of population genetics and history, but as a linguistic term it is well-defined, referring to a largely Middle Eastern family of languages — ancient and modern — including Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Assyrian (Syriac), Babylonian (Akkadian), Hebrew, Maltese, and Tigrigna. The Proto-Semitic peoples, ancestors of the Semites in the Middle East before the break-up of the hypothesized original (proto-)Semitic language into various modern Semitic languages, are thought to have been originally from the Arabian Peninsula."

from : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic