Thread: Intro to these Languages. How are they different?

Inače, ti, Ljosha, jako dobro govoriš srpski (pretpostavljam da je srpski jer je ekavica, mada i u hrvatskom jeziku ima ekavice, samo ne u štokavskom nego u kajkavskom narečju).

Da li znaš da je te stihove napisao srpski pesnik (iz Bosne) Aleksa Šantić ?
(u Bosni svi Srbi govore ijekavskim narečjem)
Evo ti još jedna njegova pesma (rodoljubiva) :

Moja domovina
Aleksa Šantić

Ne plačem samo s bolom svoga srca
Rad zemlje ove uboge i gole;
Mene sve rane moga roda bole,
I moja duša s njim pati i grca.

Ovdje, u bolu srca istrzana,
Ja nosim kletve svih patnji i muka,
I krv što kapa sa dušmanskih ruka
To je krv moja iz mojijeh rana.

U meni cvile duše miliona -
Moj svaki uzdah, svaka suza bona,
Njihovim bolom vapije i ište.

I svuda gde je srpska duša koja,
Tamo je meni otadžbina moja,
Moj dom i moje rođeno ognjište.

Vidiš kako je duševna ova pesma, kao da ju je neki Rus napisao ?
To je jedan od razloga zašto ja toliko ističem bratstvo ruskog i srpskog naroda....

(Postavio sam ove stihove potaknut strašnim stradanjem mog, srpskog naroda na Kosovu ovih dana. Ne zamerite na dužini poruke.)

Originally Posted by Algol

I don't really understand it, either.
It's a kind of oath, a sincere promise, obligation, commitment...
It purpose is to persuade a person, convince him or her that our intentions are serious and honest....
I don't know...you really should ask someone from Bosnia about that,
we in Serbia don't use that phrase often.

OK. Thanks for the ideas, Algol! All your comments are really helpful.

Originally Posted by Algol

Btw, I'm a 27 y.o. man and I should really remove those verses from my signature.
Don't you think ?

Maybe you should although the words are good. That’s what I looked at. It’s a pity they don't have a way to show people’s gender on this forum. Or do they?

Originally Posted by Algol

Inače, ti, Ljosha, jako dobro govoriš srpski (pretpostavljam da je srpski jer je ekavica

Хвала. Да, читао сам углавном на екавици, зато и пишем тако.

Originally Posted by Algol

, mada i u hrvatskom jeziku ima ekavice, samo ne u štokavskom nego u kajkavskom narečju).

Нисам то знао.

Originally Posted by Algol

Da li znaš da je te stihove napisao srpski pesnik (iz Bosne) Aleksa Šantić ?
Vidiš kako je duševna ova pesma, kao da ju je neki Rus napisao ?
To je jedan od razloga zašto ja toliko ističem bratstvo ruskog i srpskog naroda....
(Postavio sam ove stihove potaknut strašnim stradanjem mog, srpskog naroda na Kosovu ovih dana. Ne zamerite na dužini poruke.)

Да, читао сам понешто за А. Шантића. Пуно хвала на песми. Стварно је душевна. А оно што се ради на Косову је страшно. Зашто би људи не живели мирно? Чуо сам да су око 4000 срба били отерани из својих кућа...

Nishtyak is right, but now there are same different words in those "languages". Between serbian and croatian most of these different words are new, but between bosnian and other versions there are many differences! I Know bosnians uses a lot of words from turkish.

Sretan sam da nasao sam mjesto gdje mogu praticirati (ili vaditi??) "na vasem". nadam se da netko odgovorit ce, tako da mozemo malo pricati. Budite mi dobro!!!

Zravst.
Doesn't Serbian use cyrillic? Or is it Bosnian that does? And why is the name Montenegro still used? Where in this region's history did this name come into being? Surely it's latin?
And just curious- the abreviation some of you use in posts, 'lol'.I thought it meant 'lots of love', but it gets used alot in cases that makes me think otherwise.What does it mean?

Originally Posted by brett

And just curious- the abreviation some of you use in posts, 'lol'.I thought it meant 'lots of love', but it gets used alot in cases that makes me think otherwise.What does it mean?

It means "laughing out loud".

Originally Posted by brett

Zravst.
Doesn't Serbian use cyrillic? Or is it Bosnian that does? And why is the name Montenegro still used? Where in this region's history did this name come into being? Surely it's latin?

Serbian uses the latin and cyrillic alphabets. Bosnian uses only the latin.

In Serbia, I'm not sure which alphabet is used more frequently, but in the more recent pictures I've been seeing from there it looks like Cyrillic is becoming more dominant again.

The name "Montenegro" is "Black Mountain" in the Veneto dialect of Italian. It's the common name in the west for the country, and was brought over by Venetians whose ships dominated the Adriatic at that time. Other languages also use translations of the words Black Mountain, in Turkish it is Karadag (?), in Albanian something else etc. The name for Montenegro in Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian is Crna Gora (also "Black Mountain").

it is true that both cyrillic and latin alphabets are used in Serbian language but only cyrillic alphabet ( азбука) is a genuine Serbian alphabet.
The embracement of the latin letters in Serbian language was an attempt to decrease the differences between the nations of former Yugoslavia.
As Serbian language follows the rule : one letter, one sound and the other way around, latin alphabet is incomplete and flawed in that sense.

e.g. њ=nj
љ=lj
џ=dž

If one wants to learn Serbian language, he/she ought to learn cyrillic letters.

It's worth mentioning that Serbian cyrillic and Russian cyrillic are quite different. Both have letters the other one doesn't.

Yeah, and especially the cursive scripts are quite different.

Срећна Нова година и срећан Божић!

Here, there is an interesting glossary of Bosnian and older words with translations into the modern language.

The main difference is political. Linguistic things are a little bit different. And I think the main difference in present tense. Serbian language uses construction da+present simple, while Croatian uses infinitive. And there are some small differences but this I think the most important.

Originally Posted by Danilo_

It's worth mentioning that Serbian cyrillic and Russian cyrillic are quite different. Both have letters the other one doesn't.

Yes that's true.

BOSANSKI

CILJEVI I ZADACI

Osnovni ciljevi i zadaci Centralne banke su utvrđeni Zakonom saglasno Općem okvirnom sporazumu za mir u BiH. Centralna banka Bosne i Hercegovine održava monetarnu stabilnost u skladu s currency board aranžmanom (1KM : 0,51129 EURO), što znači da izdaje domaću valutu uz puno pokriće u slobodnim konvertibilnim deviznim sredstvima po fiksnom kursu 1 KM: 0,51129 EURO. Centralna banka definira i kontrolira provođenje monetarne politike Bosne i Hercegovine. Centralna banka upravlja službenim deviznim rezervama ostvarenim izdavanjem domaće valute.
Centralna banka pomaže i održava odgovarajuće platne i obračunske sisteme. Također koordinira djelatnosti agencija za bankarstvo bh. entiteta, koje su nadležne za izdavanje dozvola za rad i superviziju banaka.

HRVATSKI

CILJEVI I ZADACI

Osnovni ciljevi i zadaci Centralne banke su utvrdeni zakonom sukladno Opcem okvirnom sporazumu za mir u BiH. Centralna banka Bosne i Hercegovine održava monetarnu stabilnost u skladu s currency board aranžmanom (1KM : 0,51129 EURO), što znaci da izdaje domacu valutu uz puno pokrice u slobodnim konvertibilnim deviznim sredstvima po fiksnom kursu 1KM : 0,51129 EURO. Centralna banka definira i kontrolira provodenje monetarne politike Bosne i Hercegovine. Centralna banka upravlja službenim deviznim rezervama ostvarenim izdavanjem domace valute.
Centralna banka pomaže i održava odgovarajuce platne i obracunske sisteme. Također koordinira djelatnosti agencija za bankarstvo be-ha entiteta, koje su nadležne za izdavanje dozvola za rad i superviziju banaka.

SRPSKI

ЦИЉЕВИ И ЗАДАЦИ


Основни циљеви и задаци Централне банке су утврђени законом сагласно Општем оквирном споразуму за мир у БиХ. Централна банка Босне и Херцеговине одржава монетарну стабилност у складу са "currency board" аранжманом (1КМ : 0,51129 ЕURO), што значи да издаје домаћу валуту уз пуно покриће у слободним конвертибилним девизним средствима по фиксном курсу 1КМ : 0.51129 ЕURO. Централна банка дефинише и контролише провођење монетарне политике Босне и Херцеговине. Централна банка управља службеним девизним резервама оствареним издавањем домаће валуте.
Централна банка помаже и одржава одговарајуће платне и обрачунске системе. Такође координирање дјелатности агенција за банкарство бх. ентитета, обје су надлежне за издавање дозвола за рад и супервизију банака.

Originally Posted by brett

Serbian uses the latin and cyrillic alphabets. Bosnian uses only the latin.

Bosnian also uses the Cyrillic alphabet - in the Republika Srpska. This is mainly where the Bosnian-Serbs live.

Adam

Montenegro is called "crna gora" in south slavic languages. My uncle tells me that this does not mean "black mountain" but rather "black gorse" - a reference to dark bushes and shrubs that are common on the hillsides. I've personally never been there, so I wouldn't know.