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    How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    How did the "k" get into Popkov? Why didn't it just stay Popov?

    So would Smirnkov sound weird like Popkov?

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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    Quote Originally Posted by thelaxu
    How did the "k" get into Popkov?
    Поп (priest) -> Попов
    Попок (diminutive-caressing of поп/priest) -> Попков
    Quote Originally Posted by thelaxu
    Why didn't it just stay Popov?
    These are two very different surnames.
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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    Quote Originally Posted by the.mike
    Попка (diminutive-caressing of поп/priest) -> Попков
    Вообще-то, скорее "попок".
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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    Quote Originally Posted by wanja
    Quote Originally Posted by the.mike
    Попка (diminutive-caressing of поп/priest) -> Попков
    Вообще-то, скорее "попок".
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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    Quote Originally Posted by wanja
    Quote Originally Posted by the.mike
    Попка (diminutive-caressing of поп/priest) -> Попков
    Вообще-то, скорее "попок".
    Или Попко. )

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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    Quote Originally Posted by thelaxu
    So would Smirnkov sound weird like Popkov?
    Why do you think Popkov sounds weird? It doesn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by the.mike
    Попка
    Если бы фамилия происходила от слова "попка", то ударение было бы другое - Пóпков. А скорее всего вообще было бы Пóпкин.
    In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.

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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    Quote Originally Posted by the.mike
    Quote Originally Posted by thelaxu
    How did the "k" get into Popkov?
    Поп (priest) -> Попов
    Попок (diminutive-caressing of поп/priest) -> Попков
    Quote Originally Posted by thelaxu
    Why didn't it just stay Popov?
    These are two very different surnames.
    Does the same rule now apply to the surnames listed below? I'm just wondering if adding a "к" in the name makes it a corruption (a departure from the original or from what is pure or correct.) Lots of surnames used by Americans are corruptions, I would consider the surname Eisenhower to be a corruption, it should be Eisenhauer.

    Смирнков
    Иванков
    Кузнецков
    Попков
    Соколков
    Лебедкев
    Козлков
    Новикков
    Морозков
    Петрков
    Волкков
    Соловькёв
    Василькев
    Зайцкев
    Павлков
    Семёнков
    Голубкев
    Виноградков
    Богданков
    Воробькёв

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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    Quote Originally Posted by thelaxu
    Does the same rule now apply to the surnames listed below?
    No.

    There is no any particular "rule" here. It's just that there is the word поп and there is the word попок. But it doesn't mean that words like смирнок, козлок, новикок, and others exist. They don't. Most of 'surnames' in your list don't exist and many of them are even impossible or very hard to pronounce.
    In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.

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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    Ok, so most of those "surnames" don't exist.

    How about the former Russian mafia member Вячеслав Иваньков?

    How did Иванов become Иваньков? Does Иваньков sound weird?

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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    Quote Originally Posted by thelaxu
    Ok, so most of those "surnames" don't exist.

    How about the former Russian mafia member Вячеслав Иваньков?

    How did Иванов become Иваньков? Does Иваньков sound weird?
    He has never been Иванов in fact. Иваньков sounds more or less like Jenkins or Dobkins in English.

    Look, in fact there are some rules or at least some basis for linguistic theorycrafting. But it is difficult to craft such theories without deep knowledge of Russian linguistics. At least I feel that my knowledge is not enough.
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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    Quote Originally Posted by thelaxu
    I'm just wondering if adding a "к" in the name makes it a corruption (a departure from the original or from what is pure or correct.)
    It's not a corruption. They are DIFFERENT SURNAMES!!! Really.
    I checked, and some sources say that Popkov derives from Popko - an obscure FIRST name (or should I say a nickname), that derived from 'pop'. So Popov (presumably) is a priest's son, Popkov is a son of someone, named after a priest. If Popov is made after 'popok' (diminutive from 'pop') after all, they are still different surnames. 'Popok' is more derogatory, so if the priest was not respected they could call him 'popok', and his children would have been Попковы.
    If you change Popkov to Popov, it will be a different name, because this is not a spelling 'mistake' or corruption, "k" is there for a reason.
    Does it answer your question?

    Anyway, why is this obsession with Popkov?

    PS. And yes, some of the surnames in your list do not exist or sound unnatural, because they break a common pattern.

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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    Quote Originally Posted by it-ogo
    Quote Originally Posted by thelaxu
    Ok, so most of those "surnames" don't exist.

    How about the former Russian mafia member Вячеслав Иваньков?

    How did Иванов become Иваньков? Does Иваньков sound weird?
    He has never been Иванов in fact. Иваньков sounds more or less like Jenkins or Dobkins in English.

    Look, in fact there are some rules or at least some basis for linguistic theorycrafting. But it is difficult to craft such theories without deep knowledge of Russian linguistics. At least I feel that my knowledge is not enough.
    Well, Jenkins and Dobkins sounds perfectly normal in English, not weird or funny at all, so I guess Иваньков sounds perfectly normal in Russian, not weird or funny?

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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    An addendum to my previous post.

    You should realise, that letters in Russian surnames do not appear out of the blue, you can't put them in randomly and create a different surname. Often (but not always) 'K' is a trace of the diminutive suffixes (-ик, -чик, -ок, etc). That means that such a surname derives not from the full form of the word, but from its diminutive.

    So..

    Смирнков - hypothetically possible, but google failed to find anyone with this surname
    Иванков - possible (from Иванко (first name))
    Кузнецков - sounds really bad, but possible, if derives from Кузнецк (a geographical name). Or it should be Кузнечиков (from Кузнечик)
    Попков - possible
    Соколков - possible (from соколок)
    Лебедкев - IMPOSSIBLE, should be either Лебедков or Лебёдкин (or anything else)
    Козлков - IMPOSSIBLE, should be Козликов (from козлик)
    Новикков - IMPOSSIBLE and looks like a typo, Новиков can't be changed
    Морозков - possible (from морозко)
    Петрков - IMPOSSIBLE, should be Петриков
    Волкков - IMPOSSIBLE, should be Волчков (from волчок)
    Соловькёв - IMPOSSIBLE, should be Соловков or Соловкин or Соловушкин (from соловушка), etc.
    Василькев - probably possible (with stress on 'и'), but sounds weird. Васильков is much more natural and common
    Зайцкев - IMPOSSIBLE, should be Зайчиков, Зайкин or Зайков
    Павлков - IMPOSSIBLE, should be Павликов
    Семёнков - possible, but Семенков ('е' instead of 'ё' and different stress) seems more common
    Голубкев - IMPOSSIBLE, should be Голубков
    Виноградков - possible
    Богданков - possible
    Воробькёв - IMPOSSIBLE, should be Воробкин, Воробков or even Воробушкин

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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    Now I understand. Thank you.

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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    Quote Originally Posted by gRomoZeka
    Смирнков - hypothetically possible

    Василькев - probably possible (with stress on 'и')
    I disagree here. Both look completely impossible to me.
    In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.

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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    Quote Originally Posted by gRomoZeka
    An addendum to my previous post.

    You should realise, that letters in Russian surnames do not appear out of the blue, you can't put them in randomly and create a different surname. Often (but not always) 'K' is a trace of the diminutive suffixes (-ик, -чик, -ок, etc). That means that such a surname derives not from the full form of the word, but from its diminutive.

    So..

    Смирнков - hypothetically possible, but google failed to find anyone with this surname
    Иванков - possible (from Иванко (first name))
    Кузнецков - sounds really bad, but possible, if derives from Кузнецк (a geographical name). Or it should be Кузнечиков (from Кузнечик)
    Попков - possible
    Соколков - possible (from соколок)
    Лебедкев - IMPOSSIBLE, should be either Лебедков or Лебёдкин (or anything else)
    Козлков - IMPOSSIBLE, should be Козликов (from козлик)
    Новикков - IMPOSSIBLE and looks like a typo, Новиков can't be changed
    Морозков - possible (from морозко)
    Петрков - IMPOSSIBLE, should be Петриков
    Волкков - IMPOSSIBLE, should be Волчков (from волчок)
    Соловькёв - IMPOSSIBLE, should be Соловков or Соловкин or Соловушкин (from соловушка), etc.
    Василькев - probably possible (with stress on 'и'), but sounds weird. Васильков is much more natural and common
    Зайцкев - IMPOSSIBLE, should be Зайчиков, Зайкин or Зайков
    Павлков - IMPOSSIBLE, should be Павликов
    Семёнков - possible, but Семенков ('е' instead of 'ё' and different stress) seems more common
    Голубкев - IMPOSSIBLE, should be Голубков
    Виноградков - possible
    Богданков - possible
    Воробькёв - IMPOSSIBLE, should be Воробкин, Воробков or even Воробушкин
    Wow! There is my surname here
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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    Now I understand. Thank you.
    You are welcome.
    Quote Originally Posted by Оля
    Quote Originally Posted by gRomoZeka
    Смирнков - hypothetically possible
    Василькев - probably possible (with stress on 'и')
    I disagree here. Both look completely impossible to me.
    Well, I said 'probably' and 'hypothetically', because weird things do happen. You never know... But I agree, that they sound a bit forced.

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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    There are a lot of ways to construct surname in Russia. It may be not only from name of men, but also from the name of a villarge or a town, where this men anytime had lived, for exsample. Or fought there anytime. Иваньков or Попков could born from "Иваньково" and "Попково" оr "Попки".
    Морозков could form from Морозко - ancient russian name. I can tell more about history of forming russian surnames, but my english is so foul...
    I`m sorry.
    PS: "Виноградков" - impossible, because there wasn`t firstname or sobriquet, or geographical name. May be "Виноградинов", if any women`s sobriquet in this kin was "виноградина" (undersized and plump ). But unlikely because of its length: sobriquet must be shorter. More it may be "Виноградырев" - from profession. Or "Виноградников" if somebody of kin had a big vineyard, or his mother gave birth to him under the bush of vine. And so on

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    Re: How did the "k" get into Popkov?

    Quote Originally Posted by enge
    PS: "Виноградков" - impossible, because there wasn`t firstname or sobriquet, or geographical name.
    Some villagers say "виноградка" instead of "виноградинка" (a grape). I think it's within the realm of possibility, that Виноградков can stem from this. Moreover, Виноградкин does exist (same roots), so why not Виноградков?

    I'm not trying to prove that this is a common name or anything (it will be rare for sure), but it's linguistically and historically possible.

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