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    Words with non-seperating hard sign?

    So far, I've seen the hard sign (ъ) used in words only as a seperating sign between a root and its prefix. Are there any Russian words without a root where the hard sign is used? Curiousity

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    you will not likely ever find a word "without a root". But here's one without a prefix: объект.

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    Since I can't recall such a prefix as "ад" in Russian, the word "адъютант" is another example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaika View Post
    you will not likely ever find a word "without a root". But here's one without a prefix: объект.
    Quote Originally Posted by diogen_ View Post
    Since I can't recall such a prefix as "ад" in Russian, the word "адъютант" is another example.
    perhaps it needs to be pointed out that объект is a borrowed word in Russian, therefore strictly speaking it's not Russian
    basically words of Latin origin whos stem starts with j and is preceded by a prefix, in Russian will be spelled with the hard sign

    injection - инъекция
    conjunctivitis - конъюктивит
    subject - субъект
    and
    object - объект

    Adjutant - адъютант

    adjutant comes from the Latin adjutans, present participle of the verb adjuvare, "to help"

    and ad- seems also a prefix like in the words adjective, adverb, admit (these stems with other prefixes: subjective, proverb, permit)

    so somehow the rule of the hard sign after prefix is maintained with at least these borrowed words as well

    genuinely non-separating i can't think of, are there any?

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    трёхъярусный

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anixx View Post
    трёхъярусный
    still separating hard sign

    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    В современной русской орфографии Ъ употребляется только как разделительный знак между согласной и гласной. Чаще всего используется на стыке приставки и корня: «объявление», «подъезд», «панъевропейский», «трансъямальский»), включая «сросшиеся» с корнем в современном русском языке исторические приставки в некоторых заимствованных словах («адъютант», «инъекция», «фельдъегерь») либо двух примыкающих полных (не сокращённых!) основ в сложных словах («трёхъярусный») перед йотированными буквами е, ё, ю, я и означает йотированное («раздельное») их произношение без смягчения предшествующего согласного. Перед другими гласными Ъ может появляться только в транскрипции иностранных имен и названий: Чанъань, Дзюнъитиро и т. п.

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    I'm curious is "с" a prefix in the word съем if we mean "renting" or "pick-up"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by diogen_ View Post
    I'm curious is "с" a prefix in the word съем if we mean "renting" or "pick-up"?
    of course, there're words объём, приём, наём/найм, выемка etc. with the same stem -(н)им-

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    Коммерсантъ. Although this may technically not count, as it's the name of a newspaper which was named after another newspaper that existed pre-1917 revolution, which was when, IIRC, ъ was stricken from the end of a lot of words because it was deemed redundant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zxc View Post
    Коммерсантъ. Although this may technically not count, as it's the name of a newspaper which was named after another newspaper that existed pre-1917 revolution, which was when, IIRC, ъ was stricken from the end of a lot of words because it was deemed redundant.
    It is just a trade mark.

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