Thread: Что происходит в Украине? События, новости.

Originally Posted by RT

an average pension in Ukraine is $160.

A month?!!! It's not possible to survive on that. Even if they live for free and have no bills. It's not possible Anywhere in Europe. It can't be done. Any pensioner without children or substantial savings will starve or freeze to death, or die from poverty induced illness.

And it's not like anyone in that generation had any opportunity to build up private wealth or get a private pension plan. They are completely innocent victims.

And now they are saying they are halving the pensions. $80 /month? Have people no hearts!? This is the generations that fought in the war, built up the country and took care of them as children as a mother or grandmother.

Originally Posted by Dmitry Khomitchuk

Спикер Совета Федерации Валентина Матвиенко заявила, что палата поддержит решение парламента Верховного Совета Крыма о вхождении автономии в состав России по результатам референдума, который пройдет 16 марта.

What, they are going to just accept Crimea into the federation? Even though it will upset Ukraine and drive the West crazy?

I watched some Russian TV (not RT but Vesti) because I was interested in what Russia planned to do. But I didn't hear this.

Немцам открывают глаза

Originally Posted by Sibiriak

Немцам открывают глаза

I only wish this wasn't some backwater TV channel with an audience of 1.5 anonymouses.

Klagemauer.tv actually is a Swiss sect-controlled internet TV channel which reports complete rubbish in many other topics in order to proselytize. I wouldn't trust that one farther than I can throw it.

Великобритания назвала ... - YouTube

Немцам открывают глаза - с английским переводом

Ukrainian nationalists opened fire at pro-Russian activists in Kharkov:

В Харькове избили и обстреляли участников антифашистского митинга - Korrespondent.net

Смотрим на карту и видим все проблемы Украины:

Как живут лидеры «евромайдана»: у Кличко - прозрачные полы, у Тимошенко - собственный пляж // KP.RU
Статья в "Комсомольской правде" о том, в каких "скромных" условиях живут новые украинские лидеры, приведенные "майданом" на смену "банде".

Сашко Білий. (на украинском)
Оправдывается за прокурора.
Говорит, иначе народ бы всё спалил и вынес всех на вилах.
Говорит, у него друзья в Крыму (в смысле пытается успокоить).

Сашко Білий: не такий я страшний, як показує

I am wondering about one thing. Why is the (ethnically) Russian-dominated part of Ukraine suddenly so afraid of the Ukrainian-dominated west and seems to think that the whole West is fascist in outlook, when that same west wanted to get closer and not farther away from the EC (which they would if they were fascist) and there have been no attacks on Russians before (that I know of)? Where have all those fascists been before now? What it all boils down to, how much of this is media-induced hysteria?

Of course I am aware that there were fascist agitators in Kiew who were at least partly responsible for the violence there, and that the interim government and the opposition made a huge mistake in accepting these same fascists (or any, really) into the interim government or even as armed guardians and did not immediately disarm them. But does the populace really think that half of them now suddenly hate the other half?

Originally Posted by bitpicker

how much of this is media-induced hysteria?

Pretty much everything you read or hear these days. One criminal group has just overthrown the other one. The other one induced hysteria in order to try and gain its positions back (or at least to negotiate its new share).

Originally Posted by bitpicker

I am wondering about one thing. Why is the (ethnically) Russian-dominated part of Ukraine suddenly so afraid of the Ukrainian-dominated west and seems to think that the whole West is fascist in outlook, when that same west wanted to get closer and not farther away from the EC (which they would if they were fascist) and there have been no attacks on Russians before (that I know of)? Where have all those fascists been before now? What it all boils down to, how much of this is media-induced hysteria?

Of course I am aware that there were fascist agitators in Kiew who were at least partly responsible for the violence there, and that the interim government and the opposition made a huge mistake in accepting these same fascists (or any, really) into the interim government or even as armed guardians and did not immediately disarm them. But does the populace really think that half of them now suddenly hate the other half?

Ethnically-Russian-dominated part of Ukraine is Crimea (58% ethnic Russians, AFAIR) and that is all. There are Russan-language-dominated parts of Ukraine (including, for example, Kiev itself and most big cities).

I live in the Eastern Ukraine and I don't see any notable hysteria around. There was a kind of hysteria in 2004 about "they disrespect our choice" but the revolution of 2004 changed nothing. What I see now is apathy, depression and fear of Russian invasion and war. Normally a person from Eastern Ukraine doesn't care much about any ultras in the West or even happy if they kick some b5tts of some corrupted officials. The hysteria and hatred comes from Russia - and I understand why it is difficult for the foreigner to distinguish the sources: they are much more numerous, aggressive and well-organized.

Why do you spread this bullshit?

Originally Posted by it-ogo

What I see now is apathy, depression and fear of Russian invasion and war.

"Fear of Russian invasion" is a product of Ukrainian and Western Media only. Ukraine was occupied by the Nazi squads and American special services. Of course, it doesn't mean anything at all. Mere trifle. Yeah, we must believe it, because authoritative and competend dude (it-ogo) said that he knows everything better.
The usurpers assassinated 100 people to justify their "revolution". It's indeed a trifle. Never mind. Let's talk about "how Russia poisons our souls". Dudes, your "souls" are already in hell after that.

Military occupation of Crimea is an international aggression act with bad long-term consequenses for everyone.

"Military occupation of Crimea" is your fantasy. Russia just protects its military base which is located there according to the pact. Even your Minister of Defence said (quoting from memory): "we don't have a legal ground to attack Crimea, because there are no illegal Russian forces in that territory. So if we attack, it would be regarded as a war crime against own people".
So "military occupation of Crimea" is just a "motto" which was thrown in the informational field. It has no any proof. Cynical people pronounce this bullshit again and again, thus silly people believe that's true. Select in what group you are.

Came across this video where some people in Moscow seem to think there is a war with Ukraine, so they are doing an anti-war demonstration. For whatever reason, the police is breaking it up.




If you try to have a spontaneous anti-war demonstration in London, the exact same thing will happen, but with a permission it's ok - however it can take a long time to get a permission and it may not be in the location you requested. As far as I understand the situation is even worse in Russia, and if the message is not appreciated, they get no permit.

I wouldn't have thought that there was a war with Ukraine to protest against, but clearly these people think so!

Originally Posted by Hanna

Came across this video where some people in Moscow seem to think there is a war with Ukraine, so they are doing an anti-war demonstration. For whatever reason, the police is breaking it up.




If you try to have a spontaneous anti-war demonstration in London, the exact same thing will happen, but with a permission it's ok - however it can take a long time to get a permission and it may not be in the location you requested. As far as I understand the situation is even worse in Russia, and if the message is not appreciated, they get no permit.

I wouldn't have thought that there was a war with Ukraine to protest against, but clearly these people think so!

Because the Kremlin brainwashes a lot of people. You can tell simply by reading the other posts here.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Because the Kremlin brainwashes a lot of people. You can tell simply by reading the other posts here.

I hope you realize how the new illegal government in Kiev is brainwashing people now. The Kremlin can hardly keep up with such a great job.

Originally Posted by shnuddy

I hope you realize how the new illegal government in Kiev is brainwashing people now. The Kremlin can hardly keep up with such a great job.

I'm well aware of the brainwashing on by both sides, thanks. But, how come one side gets a free ride but the other doesn't? Most of the forum posters are soft on what the Kremlin does.

You said to pm you to obtain insight on this brainwashing. Why not post it here? What's the big secret? I'll be happy to discuss it. I've spoken with various Ukrainians and Russians on skype, vk and other sides besides researching on my own. I'm against both sides and think Ukraine should have sought their own sovereignty without interference or intervention. I think they have faint hopes and they are mislead, to put it in a nutshell. Yet, the Kremlin can do no wrong on this issue according to most posters, it seems. Brainwashed? Yes, on all sides.

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And I also came across this video pro-Ukraine rally in Odessa.
Was a bit surprised about that, because I never heard any Ukrainian spoken when I was in Odessa, and there was plenty of pro-Russia stuff on sale in markets etc. It felt like a rather Russian city. I don't know how I could have misunderstood the situation so much.

Originally Posted by Hanna

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And I also came across this video pro-Ukraine rally in Odessa.
Was a bit surprised about that, because I never heard any Ukrainian spoken when I was in Odessa, and there was plenty of pro-Russia stuff on sale in markets etc. It felt like a rather Russian city. I don't know how I could have misunderstood the situation so much.

Easily. There's a big struggle in the city (as well as the other cities of South-East Ukraine) for the control.
The people you've seen could be brought there by transport (several buses is enough) and according to various sources such groups try to breach to Crimea daily.
The latest news particularly about Odessa AFAIK is that local youth was fooled to gather at the recruiting posts (they were told it'll be just a routine data check) and locked there. Meanwhile Ukrainian Defence Minister (an usurper of this position, to be correct) spreads lies that young Ukrainians are eager to join the army to fend off the invasion. Here.
The link leads to google cache because the newly made Ukrainian censorship tries to erase as many pro-Russian news as possible. Also here.