Thread: Разные мысли и соображения вокруг событий в Украине

Why do do the people think there'll be a war?

I think if you are invaded by Russia there is not much you can do about it, unless you are the USA, China or a jihadist who don't mind dying.... If Russia invades Ukraine, the war would be over before it started wouldn't it. I really hope Russia does not do that.

In the case of Crimea, most of the population welcomes the "invaders". So that's not a war either.
It would be a public relations suicide of Russia to even THINK of going into Eastern Ukraine. I really don't think Russia would be that stupid. The Ukrainians made their bed, let them lie in it. Imperial days are over for Russia, aren't they?

Actually writing this I got a bit worried. What if Russia goes totally insane and decides to actually invade part, or all of Ukraine, other than Krim? It's nothing to me personally, obviously, but I think it really would kick off Cold War v 2.0 and there would be an information, propaganda, spying, economic and tech war that will make the original Cold War pale in comparison.
And this time, Russia would have less allies than it did the first time around due to Eastern Europe changing camps.
We have been there and done that, it was total crap, tragic and a huge waste of resources. Please never again.


Has anyone seen the 675,000 Ukrainians who fled to Russia in the last 2 weeks, according to RT.com?


On the photos: Very snazzy new winter uniforms the Ru police force has. They look like they are in some old 19th century classic novel.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Why do do the people think there'll be a war?

I think if you are invaded by Russia there is not much you can do about it, unless you are the USA or China....

I doubt there'll be war, but history teaches us that you're wrong.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Has anyone seen the 675,000 Ukrainians who fled to Russia in the last 2 weeks, according to RT.com? [/B]

I don't think they're real. You see, in math there are imaginary numbers. It appears that politics also utilizes the concept.

Originally Posted by Ramil

I doubt there'll be war, but history teaches us that you're wrong.

USSR fulfilled all it's goals in this war. I have no idea what are you talking about.

Originally Posted by Suobig

USSR fulfilled all it's goals in this war. I have no idea what are you talking about.

1) The goals were much grander. 2) The losses were too great.

Originally Posted by Ramil

1) The goals were much grander.

1) Explain please. USSR got more territory then it asked before war.
2) That's correct. War was hard for Red Army. But still it was won.

Originally Posted by Hanna

I realise they tried to take back what they thought was theirs

No. They wanted to protect Leningrad, because Soviet-Finn border was too close to the city and Finland was an ally of Germany. So in case of war finn troops could get to the city too fast and long-range artillery could been used without crossing border. There were long negotiations before this war, in which bigger territories of soviet land were proposed in exchange. Joseph Stalin said: "We can do nothing with geography. As well as you. We can't move Leningrad away from the border, so we'll have to move the border away". But Finland rejected everything. May be they hoped Germany won't let this war happen, but Hitler could not break the agreement with USSR - he was not yet ready to start the war yet.

Originally Posted by Suobig

No. They wanted to protect Leningrad, because Soviet-Finn border was too close to the city and Finland was an ally of Germany. So in case of war finn troops could get to the city too fast and long-range artillery could been used without crossing border. There were long negotiations before this war, in which bigger territories of soviet land were proposed in exchange. Joseph Stalin said: "We can do nothing with geography. As well as you. We can't move Leningrad away from the border, so we'll have to move the border away". But Finland rejected everything. May be they hoped Germany won't let this war happen, but Hitler could not break the agreement with USSR - he was not yet ready to start the war yet.

Oh sorry - I deleted my post because I realised it was pretty rude to disturb by writing in English, plus we always get into side track with historical stuff. This topic about Ukraine is too important. So I deleted my post because it was a distraction.

I think you and I learned some different history in school regarding this... I have no idea what is right or wrong, but I know that the version I heard was more sympathetic to Finland since it's our brother nation... What's done is done with that, as far as I am concerned, but it must be one of the best examples EVER of a big nation totally messing up a war they really *should* have won.....
And at the end of the day, Russia got Karelia out of it and there is quite a buffer now, between the Finnish border and the Leningrad area.

Originally Posted by Hanna

but it must be one of the best examples EVER of a big nation totally messing up a war they really *should* have won.....

Err... Vietnam?

Originally Posted by Suobig

Err... Vietnam?

Yeah, I know, it was in my original post that I deleted! Sorry I caused even more distraction by deleting the post. Go on with the Ukraine discussion! in Russian......